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scotsman

ok thanks. So this was in the UK and, unless I'm mistaken, is a private school that has a curriculum the parents approve.

 

 

 

Where is the objections coming from, parents of students or people on social media?

 

Primary, not private. Primary schools, most of which are state-run, are what we Brits go to from the ages of 5-11. Then we go to secondary school, from ages 12-16/17/18. Up to 16 is mandatory, you can leave at 16 or 17 and either go to work, go to local college, or at 17, apply for university.

 

We don't have any of the junior/senior high school stuff or grades, which can confuse us when we hear it on US tv and film. For me, I simply add the grade number to 5 and work out immediately what age the student in the tv/film is. I assume US children start formal education at age 5, like us.

 

As to curriculums, as state schools, they will teach a nationally approved one. This till allows for the individual teacher to have their own little exercises, which is what the teacher in this case did. It wasn't part of the official teaching. The school sounds very progressive re LBGTQ and sounds as if it greatly supplements the national LBGTQ teachings, which for UK kids 5-11 is very basic.

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MontyPython

Primary, not private. Primary schools, most of which are state-run, are what we Brits go to from the ages of 5-11. Then we go to secondary school, from ages 12-16/17/18. Up to 16 is mandatory, you can leave at 16 or 17 and either go to work, go to local college, or at 17, apply for university.

 

We don't have any of the junior/senior high school stuff or grades, which can confuse us when we hear it on US tv and film. For me, I simply add the grade number to 5 and work out immediately what age the student in the tv/film is. I assume US children start formal education at age 5, like us.

 

As to curriculums, as state schools, they will teach a nationally approved one. This till allows for the individual teacher to have their own little exercises, which is what the teacher in this case did. It wasn't part of the official teaching. The school sounds very progressive re LBGTQ and sounds as if it greatly supplements the national LBGTQ teachings, which for UK kids 5-11 is very basic.

 

It's important to keep in mind that this was a substitute teacher, not the regular teacher of this class. It sounds to me like the sub went way beyond the bounds established by the regular teacher and the school itself.

 

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We don't have any of the junior/senior high school stuff or grades, which can confuse us when we hear it on US tv and film. For me, I simply add the grade number to 5 and work out immediately what age the student in the tv/film is. I assume US children start formal education at age 5, like us.

 

Age 6 for the first numbered grade - "First Grade" - which in most place is also both the first mandatory year AND the first "All Day" year.

 

Before that is "Kindergarten" starting at ~age 5 - The "K" in the "K-12" system as it's called in the US. But while (At least here in Georgia and Florida) and maybe mostly elsewhere, the public school districts are all required to offer Kindergarten but it's not required to attend. And, at least when I went, it was only 1/2 a day, you were either "morning" or "afternoon".

 

"Elementary School" or "Grade School" or (archaically) "Grammar School" is Grades 1 through 6. I *think* that's true throughout the USA.

 

"Junior High" is usually grades 7-8 though in some places is 7-8-9 and in some places is called "Middle School". My recollection is that districts used to call it Jr High if it was only 7-8 and Middle School if it was 7-8-9 combined, but I don't think that's strictly true any more.

 

"High School" ends with grade 12, which means at age 18 or close to it. I don't know about ALL High Schools, but mine based graduation on the number of "credits": x number of "core" credits and x number of "electives". Work hard, take some advanced classes, and it's sometimes possible to graduate early. And the end of 11th grade I was just 1 or 2 credits shy of graduating; As I recall I would have need to take classes that spring semester that were only taught in the fall semester. But others on different paths have done it. First semester of 12th grade I went for 3 or 4 hours a day. I couldn't get the classes I needed together so I was a "Library Assistant" in between, then I graduated "Mid-Term".

 

Cumpulsory education ends at age 16, I think everywhere in the USA (I could be wrong). But unless you're dropping out to work on the Family Farm or Family Business, it makes you all but unemployable. In Indiana back then anyone under 18 working a non-farm/non-family job needed a "Work Permit for Minors". Nominally these were issued by the school districts, but in our small town were handled by the Police Chief who was also a bigwig on the school board. He didn't take kindly to dropouts unless it was for a darned good reason. Consequently the graduation rate from my former High School is 97.2%; compare to 84.6% for the USA as a whole or a dismal 77% in the Atlanta area.

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MontyPython

"Junior High" is usually grades 7-8 though in some places is 7-8-9 and in some places is called "Middle School". My recollection is that districts used to call it Jr High if it was only 7-8 and Middle School if it was 7-8-9 combined, but I don't think that's strictly true any more.

 

In my school district in the 60s-70s it was called "Junior High" and covered all three years: 7th 8th & 9th. 10th grade was the first year of "High School".

 

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Age 6 for the first numbered grade - "First Grade" - which in most place is also both the first mandatory year AND the first "All Day" year.

 

Before that is "Kindergarten" starting at ~age 5 - The "K" in the "K-12" system as it's called in the US. But while (At least here in Georgia and Florida) and maybe mostly elsewhere, the public school districts are all required to offer Kindergarten but it's not required to attend. And, at least when I went, it was only 1/2 a day, you were either "morning" or "afternoon".

 

"Elementary School" or "Grade School" or (archaically) "Grammar School" is Grades 1 through 6. I *think* that's true throughout the USA.

 

"Junior High" is usually grades 7-8 though in some places is 7-8-9 and in some places is called "Middle School". My recollection is that districts used to call it Jr High if it was only 7-8 and Middle School if it was 7-8-9 combined, but I don't think that's strictly true any more.

 

"High School" ends with grade 12, which means at age 18 or close to it. I don't know about ALL High Schools, but mine based graduation on the number of "credits": x number of "core" credits and x number of "electives". Work hard, take some advanced classes, and it's sometimes possible to graduate early. And the end of 11th grade I was just 1 or 2 credits shy of graduating; As I recall I would have need to take classes that spring semester that were only taught in the fall semester. But others on different paths have done it. First semester of 12th grade I went for 3 or 4 hours a day. I couldn't get the classes I needed together so I was a "Library Assistant" in between, then I graduated "Mid-Term".

 

Cumpulsory education ends at age 16, I think everywhere in the USA (I could be wrong). But unless you're dropping out to work on the Family Farm or Family Business, it makes you all but unemployable. In Indiana back then anyone under 18 working a non-farm/non-family job needed a "Work Permit for Minors". Nominally these were issued by the school districts, but in our small town were handled by the Police Chief who was also a bigwig on the school board. He didn't take kindly to dropouts unless it was for a darned good reason. Consequently the graduation rate from my former High School 16 97.2%; compare to 84.6% for the USA as a whole or a dismal 77% in the Atlanta area.

 

Ah, ok, I was close though lol.

 

Ach, seems awfy pure complicated, so it does. :D

Think I prefer oors.

 

Nursery (kindergarten) isn't compulsory here either, but the vast majority do go. Private, local council or church-run.

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Dean Adam Smithee

In my school district in the 60s-70s it was called "Junior High" and covered all three years: 7th 8th & 9th. 10th grade was the first year of "High School".

 

B)

 

So were you still call "Freshmen" in 9'th?

 

For me buildup to going from 8th to 9th was terrifying. Wild stories of having to run "gauntlets" down the hallway amongst "Seniors" with their "Senior paddles".

 

REALITY was different. First day was like any other school day wherever. Signed up for Tennis and Track. Got welcomed aboard as "Frosh" on both. And it's NOT because I was a "Star" LOL. I was merely "competant": I was your basic middle-of-the rung player that nobody would get excited about.

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MontyPython

So were you still call "Freshmen" in 9'th?

 

For me buildup to going from 8th to 9th was terrifying. Wild stories of having to run "gauntlets" down the hallway amongst "Seniors" with their "Senior paddles".

 

REALITY was different. First day was like any other school day wherever. Signed up for Tennis and Track. Got welcomed aboard as "Frosh" on both. And it's NOT because I was a "Star" LOL. I was merely "competant": I was your basic middle-of-the rung player that nobody would get excited about.

 

Nope, I never heard the term "Freshman" except as reference to first-year college students. We did use the terms "sophomore", "junior" and "senior" in high school, because it covered all three years. But being the big dogs on jr high campus (9th grade), nobody dared call us anything other than "sir".

 

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Ticked@TinselTown

Nope, I never heard the term "Freshman" except as reference to first-year college students. We did use the terms "sophomore", "junior" and "senior" in high school, because it covered all three years. But being the big dogs on jr high campus (9th grade), nobody dared call us anything other than "sir".

 

;)

 

That was what they called us in high school when I went in 1980. 9th thru 12th was high school. 7th and 8th was junior high.

 

Charmingly enough, my freshman year I was told by an upper classman that the pecking order in the school was that freshmen were worms, sophomores were dirt, juniors were grass and seniors were the sky.

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MontyPython

That was what they called us in high school when I went in 1980. 9th thru 12th was high school. 7th and 8th was junior high.

 

Charmingly enough, my freshman year I was told by an upper classman that the pecking order in the school was that freshmen were worms, sophomores were dirt, juniors were grass and seniors were the sky.

 

I've never understood why some school systems divide junior & senior high school into two years and four years. Three & three is so much better balanced.

 

:shrug:

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Nope, I never heard the term "Freshman" except as reference to first-year college students. We did use the terms "sophomore", "junior" and "senior" in high school, because it covered all three years. But being the big dogs on jr high campus (9th grade), nobody dared call us anything other than "sir".

 

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Same set up as you, Monty, but we did call 9th graders freshmen.

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searcher

I went to a Catholic school through grade 8. then to Jr. High for 9. then High school for 10-12.

 

Mark

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Ladybird

I went to a Catholic school through grade 8. then to Jr. High for 9. then High school for 10-12.

 

Mark

That makes sense. I went to ‘middle school’ in the 6th grade, and then high school in the 9th grade. Mixing kids who are not just emotionally less mature, but physically much smaller was never a good idea. There was bullying and sexual harassment of girls by students who were practically adults.

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MontyPython

Same set up as you, Monty, but we did call 9th graders freshmen.

 

Eastern WA, right?

 

Seems to me if some 7th or 8th grader had dared to call me a "freshman" I'd have punched him.

 

:shrug:

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Dutch13

What a psycho! Agree or not with homosexuality, just nod your head and move on to the next student.

 

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