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Dutch13
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Who has watched it? What are your thoughts.

 

I haven't watched it and just want to get some feedback from those on rightnation. Despite arguing with folks here, I do value your insights and information.

 

 

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Platforms scramble as 'Plandemic' conspiracy video spreads misinformation like wildfire

 

Taylor Hatmaker

TechCrunch

9:56 pm EDT • May 72020

 

 

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A coronavirus conspiracy video featuring a well-known vaccine conspiracist is spreading like wildfire on social media this week, even as platforms talk tough about misinformation in the midst of the pandemic.

 

In the professionally-produced video, a solemn interviewer named Mikki Willis interviews Judy Mikovits, a figure best known for her anti-vaccine activism in recent years. The video touches on a number of topics favored among online conspiracists at the moment, filtering most of them through the lens that vaccines are a money-making enterprise that causes medical harm.

 

The video took off mid-week after first being posted to Vimeo and YouTube on May 4. From those sites, it traveled to Facebook, Instagram and Twitter where it circulated much more widely, racking up millions of views. Finding the video is currently trivial across social platforms, where it's been reposted widely, sometimes with its title removed or reworded to make it more difficult to detect by AI moderation.

 

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ThePatriot

Who has watched it? What are your thoughts.

 

I haven't watched it and just want to get some feedback from those on rightnation. Despite arguing with folks here, I do value your insights and information.

Got a link or something? I don't even know what you're referring to here. :shrug:

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Got a link or something?  I don't even know what you're referring to here. <img src='http://www.rightnation.us/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/erst060.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':shrug:' /><br />

 

Lisa fixed that for me......and that was part of the problem. YouTube and Facebook keep removing the video and links to the video. I just became aware of it yesterday after someone posted a video trashing it......calling it Info Wars level conspiracy nonsense.

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Lisa fixed that for me......and that was part of the problem. YouTube and Facebook keep removing the video and links to the video. I just became aware of it yesterday after someone posted a video trashing it......calling it Info Wars level conspiracy nonsense.

I rarely go on social media, so no, haven't seen it.

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I've seen it. Sorry I don't believe most of the claims in the film. Did the govt make mistakes? Hell yes! Did they overreach? Hell yes! But I don't believe for a minute the government has been injecting people with coronaviruses or that wearing a mask activates your corona virus infection. Having said that, I don't think the video should be taken down. I mean if you're going to do that, why havn't they taken down gasland? But no this is not a factual video at all, and that doesn't mean that I like Dr. Fauci, I think he's arrogant and I think he's given some bad information, but he's not part of the illuminati.

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Lisa

I've seen it. Sorry I don't believe most of the claims in the film. Did the govt make mistakes? Hell yes! Did they overreach? Hell yes! But I don't believe for a minute the government has been injecting people with coronaviruses or that wearing a mask activates your corona virus infection. Having said that, I don't think the video should be taken down. I mean if you're going to do that, why havn't they taken down gasland? But no this is not a factual video at all, and that doesn't mean that I like Dr. Fauci, I think he's arrogant and I think he's given some bad information, but he's not part of the illuminati.

 

I suppose it could if it were made in China. Most all of them sold on Amazon are being made and shipped from there.They're making a fortune, too!

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I suppose it could if it were made in China. Most all of them sold on Amazon are being made and shipped from there.They're making a fortune, too!

Exactly, I wouldn't want to get masks from Amazon for that very reason. And hospitals in Europe received masks that didn't pass their inspections because they didn't filter the virus. Dutch receive defective masks

 

I'm also not a big conspiracy nut, but I wonder why Fauci has put the brakes on using hydroxychloroquine, but is pushing Remdesivir when that drug is much more expensive (but maybe I answer my own question) and it has many side effects also. Fauci was excited about using HCQ several years ago, Fauci and HCQ, but now claims it is worthless. Does makes you think.

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bearded old man

I saw it. Some truths, some conclusions (maybe good or bad) and quite a bit of conspiracy theory stuff. Don't understand why it is being taken down or blocked as it is not much different than 3/4 of the crap about the virus.

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I suppose it could if it were made in China. Most all of them sold on Amazon are being made and shipped from there.They're making a fortune, too!

 

There's no evidence the virus could survive for that long on a cloth surface. I've heard numerous doctors, the way you get this isn't even through breathing. You get the virus on your hands and then you touch your eyes, nose or mouth. That's how 95% of the transmissions are occurring.

 

I don't want to give credence to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories because then it just discredits other things that may be legitimate, like the fact it's very likely this escaped out of the Wuhan virology labs. I think Plandemic really hurts the cause of us that are questioning the government response.

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Ladybird

Medical masks infused with the COVID-19? That would be a diabolical plan, like kleenex with pollen or Oreo's with THC.

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Severian

Medical masks infused with the COVID-19? That would be a diabolical plan, like kleenex with pollen or Oreo's with THC.

Ooooooh, product idea! Talk about a positive feedback loop! :welldone:

 

p.s. we need a munchies emoticon.

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Just an aside to the hilarity here but I think that Dr Mikovits is worth watching..very worth watching...I don't claim to understand all the scientific jargon but I just got a gut feeling that she might be telling the truth..again I can't point to any expertise that I possess and that this is purely...anecdotal?...and I'm not the only one..have y'all ever heard of Tom Fitton? He's the guy that has been absolutely driving various parts of the DOJ crazy with FOIA and had been somewhat successful at winning law suits that have proven the propensity to hide stuff especially from the FBI...anyhow if Mr Fitton (Judicial Watch) has any credibility you might be interested to know that J/W has filed a lawsuit against Dr Fauchi and WHO for "correspondence" between them...here's the video..might want to be quick about it with utoobe being what it is.

Kestrel...

 

and this is Dr Mikovits

https://youtu.be/QZPrUb0AcKw

 

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MontyPython

Ooooooh, product idea! Talk about a positive feedback loop! :welldone:

 

p.s. we need a munchies emoticon.

 

Dude...wait, what...?

 

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kestrel

Exactly, I wouldn't want to get masks from Amazon for that very reason. And hospitals in Europe received masks that didn't pass their inspections because they didn't filter the virus. Dutch receive defective masks

 

I'm also not a big conspiracy nut, but I wonder why Fauci has put the brakes on using hydroxychloroquine, but is pushing Remdesivir when that drug is much more expensive (but maybe I answer my own question) and it has many side effects also. Fauci was excited about using HCQ several years ago, Fauci and HCQ, but now claims it is worthless. Does makes you think.

It do indeed...

Kestrel...

 

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kestrel

There's no evidence the virus could survive for that long on a cloth surface. I've heard numerous doctors, the way you get this isn't even through breathing. You get the virus on your hands and then you touch your eyes, nose or mouth. That's how 95% of the transmissions are occurring.

 

I don't want to give credence to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories because then it just discredits other things that may be legitimate, like the fact it's very likely this escaped out of the Wuhan virology labs. I think Plandemic really hurts the cause of us that are questioning the government response.

Heard so much misinformation from NIAID and WHO and CDC..I'm not sure what to think...

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but would you care to expound on the bolded?

 

thanks

Kestrel...

 

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kestrel

Dude...wait, what...?

 

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Doode...your cat is back...

K...

 

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Severian

The latest "chloroquine don't work" hysteria is again covering tests where "it was given to the most severely ill and it didn't help" BS. Helloooooo. It's supposed to be at the most effective if you give it right at the start or even prophylacticly. Not after people are really ill. Might as well try then but that's now when the drug is effective. Sheesh.

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searcher

Medical masks infused with the COVID-19? That would be a diabolical plan, like kleenex with pollen or Oreo's with THC.

 

 

 

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, Oreos.

 

Mark

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Ticked@TinselTown

Doode...your cat is back...

K...

 

And he appears happy to see you...

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Lisa

Medical masks infused with the COVID-19? That would be a diabolical plan, like kleenex with pollen or Oreo's with THC.

 

That's just one way I would do it if I wanted it to spread to my frenemies. :P

Wouldn't mind the oreo's. :)

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CO_Patriot

Heard so much misinformation from NIAID and WHO and CDC..I'm not sure what to think...

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but would you care to expound on the bolded?

 

thanks

Kestrel...

 

Absolutely, as you state, there has been so much misinformation from the Chinese government to the WHO. The left is trying to take those of us who question the origins of this virus as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, even though the Pentagon is researching whether the Wuhan Virology labs had a leak. So when something comes out like Plandemic which is so obviously biased and chalk full of misinformation the left will lump all of that into legitimate criticism.

 

Take the two Urgent care doctors who recently had their YouTube video pulled. Now perhaps some of their research was flawed, I don't know I'm not a physician or a medical expert. However they were simply questioning data that was out there and because their narrative didn't fit what the government was saying, they had their video pulled. Those two are being lumped in with this lady who tried to falsify data in a research paper. Those two things are not equivalent. Also some of the more outrageous claims that we were being injected with coronaviruses through the flu shot, again no proof or evidence of this.

 

The left wants to paint things in black and white, either you think we should all be hiding in our houses wearing face masks, or you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist that wants people to die. This is a much more complex issue than that. There is good and bad information coming out from both sides of the isle. Take hydroxychloroquine, you have one side saying it's a miracle drug, and the other side saying the President is trying to push false science. The truth appears to be somewhere in the middle. It can help but usually in cases where it is administered early, and the FDA saw enough promise to lift their usual red tape, allowing doctors to prescribe this.

 

I am against censor ship and YouTube should not be taking this down, or at least if they're going to do that, they should take down other fake documentaries like gasland or the 9-11 conspiracies that say our government blew up the WTC.

 

For those of us that question the government overreach, I think we should call out the crazy stuff like Plandemic because it weakens our argument, and we have a very strong argument. First that the WHO carried out China's lies about this virus which cost thousands of people their lives. Second that the death statistics are not accurate considering they are taking people who were in hospice care and if they died testing positive for COVID-19 it's considered a COVID death. Also the main study that the government put forth justifying the use of masks is flawed. It was based on a Chinese woman who was on a buisness trip to Germany, she was said to be "symptom free" and the three Germans who were in contact with her all contracted COVID-19. It turned out this woman was taking fever reducing medications, so right now there is NO EVIDENCE that this virus can be transmitted by people who are symptomatic. That is still the working theory of the CDC but there is no evidence.

 

The fact is government officials are making decisions based on information they don't know and understand and it is a danger to our economy which will end up costing more lives. There is plenty of solid logical arguments that can be made against the government response without jumping to conspiracy theories from people with questionable backgrounds and who are strongly anti vaccine.

 

Hope that answers your question.

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Rock N' Roll Right Winger

Dude...wait, what...?

 

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Hey, maaaaaan.

 

Where'ya hidin' the doritos?

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Absolutely, as you state, there has been so much misinformation from the Chinese government to the WHO. The left is trying to take those of us who question the origins of this virus as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, even though the Pentagon is researching whether the Wuhan Virology labs had a leak. So when something comes out like Plandemic which is so obviously biased and chalk full of misinformation the left will lump all of that into legitimate criticism.

 

Take the two Urgent care doctors who recently had their YouTube video pulled. Now perhaps some of their research was flawed, I don't know I'm not a physician or a medical expert. However they were simply questioning data that was out there and because their narrative didn't fit what the government was saying, they had their video pulled. Those two are being lumped in with this lady who tried to falsify data in a research paper. Those two things are not equivalent. Also some of the more outrageous claims that we were being injected with coronaviruses through the flu shot, again no proof or evidence of this.

 

The left wants to paint things in black and white, either you think we should all be hiding in our houses wearing face masks, or you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist that wants people to die. This is a much more complex issue than that. There is good and bad information coming out from both sides of the isle. Take hydroxychloroquine, you have one side saying it's a miracle drug, and the other side saying the President is trying to push false science. The truth appears to be somewhere in the middle. It can help but usually in cases where it is administered early, and the FDA saw enough promise to lift their usual red tape, allowing doctors to prescribe this.

 

I am against censor ship and YouTube should not be taking this down, or at least if they're going to do that, they should take down other fake documentaries like gasland or the 9-11 conspiracies that say our government blew up the WTC.

 

For those of us that question the government overreach, I think we should call out the crazy stuff like Plandemic because it weakens our argument, and we have a very strong argument. First that the WHO carried out China's lies about this virus which cost thousands of people their lives. Second that the death statistics are not accurate considering they are taking people who were in hospice care and if they died testing positive for COVID-19 it's considered a COVID death. Also the main study that the government put forth justifying the use of masks is flawed. It was based on a Chinese woman who was on a buisness trip to Germany, she was said to be "symptom free" and the three Germans who were in contact with her all contracted COVID-19. It turned out this woman was taking fever reducing medications, so right now there is NO EVIDENCE that this virus can be transmitted by people who are symptomatic. That is still the working theory of the CDC but there is no evidence.

 

The fact is government officials are making decisions based on information they don't know and understand and it is a danger to our economy which will end up costing more lives. There is plenty of solid logical arguments that can be made against the government response without jumping to conspiracy theories from people with questionable backgrounds and who are strongly anti vaccine.

 

Hope that answers your question.

ok..I see where you're coming from...and I did look around a bit for stuff that supports what you've said about Dr Mikovits but unfortunately most of what I found was from NPR and Wiki and such which in my mind is as questionable as the Mikovit's stuff. As to the two Physicians that got their stuff pulled off utoob the thing that jumped out at me was the falsification of of morbidity data ( guy runs car into a bridge abutment and his death is listed as c-19 kind of stuff) which has been brought up by others, apparently there is a financial incentive to intubate and and to list c-19 as cause of death, I have no way to know who's wrong/lying in these matters but I think its safe to say we got LOTS of false/bad information from the likes of Dr's Fauci and Birx (not transmittable to humans,no mask,yes mask, millions will die, hundreds of thousands will die, thousands will die..lock down till vaccine,..HDQ/Zn/Z-pak doesn't work except that it does, and seems to be a miracle drug to people like the Mi Representative that said she was almost dead till she begged her Dr's to try it (governor in Mi made it a problem to prescribe) thought highly of it. so there it is..the States that did not "Lockdown" and the Country of Sweden death rates don't seem to be that untoward ( I mean realistically how many will die of Cancer 4-6 hundred thousand..I'm told that 22 Veterans commit suicide every day..the list goes on.. So in your opinion why do you think we are getting so much...misinformation? is it malevolent? or just incompetent? what do you think a Real Conspiracy would look like?..Could the entire western media/information complex be so wrong? I really wonder..

I remember back in the 2016 election how the professional pollsters/political experts be so wrong?..Remember Hillary has a 90+percent chance of victory..No doubt about it! it was a moot point! and yet?...She didn't win...so were they "victims" of their own biases or a whole bunch of these people simply made a Math Error? Or were they lying?..If so and I bet if you and I could absolutely PROVE that they lied to influence voters...and we..oh I don't know made a Utoob vid about what we found out..What do you think NPR/Wiki/ and the like would say?....I get where you're coming from about wild ass conspiracy theory's...My question is what would the REAL DEAL look like? and would such a movement from where ever maybe find a way to put out outrageous conspiracy's to deflect from the real story?

 

Anyhow thanks for your reply I appreciate it. Reasoned discussion these daze is a rare commodity.

 

Kestrel...

P.S. Just a quick thought that I had after reading what you said about anti vaxxers ( I ain't one.) But I've heard that is you were harmed by a vaccine and went to sue the drug company for damages that made the drug..that they get some kind of protection from the Feds and if you do sue them it's actually the Dept of Health and Human Services that has a fund that pays for these suits..I can't find out if that is true or not...maybe you know?

 

 

 

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The latest "chloroquine don't work" hysteria is again covering tests where "it was given to the most severely ill and it didn't help" BS. Helloooooo. It's supposed to be at the most effective if you give it right at the start or even prophylacticly. Not after people are really ill. Might as well try then but that's now when the drug is effective. Sheesh.

 

Yup.

Absolutely, as you state, there has been so much misinformation from the Chinese government to the WHO. The left is trying to take those of us who question the origins of this virus as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, even though the Pentagon is researching whether the Wuhan Virology labs had a leak. So when something comes out like Plandemic which is so obviously biased and chalk full of misinformation the left will lump all of that into legitimate criticism.

 

Take the two Urgent care doctors who recently had their YouTube video pulled. Now perhaps some of their research was flawed, I don't know I'm not a physician or a medical expert. However they were simply questioning data that was out there and because their narrative didn't fit what the government was saying, they had their video pulled. Those two are being lumped in with this lady who tried to falsify data in a research paper. Those two things are not equivalent. Also some of the more outrageous claims that we were being injected with coronaviruses through the flu shot, again no proof or evidence of this.

 

The left wants to paint things in black and white, either you think we should all be hiding in our houses wearing face masks, or you are a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist that wants people to die. This is a much more complex issue than that. There is good and bad information coming out from both sides of the isle. Take hydroxychloroquine, you have one side saying it's a miracle drug, and the other side saying the President is trying to push false science. The truth appears to be somewhere in the middle. It can help but usually in cases where it is administered early, and the FDA saw enough promise to lift their usual red tape, allowing doctors to prescribe this.

I am against censor ship and YouTube should not be taking this down, or at least if they're going to do that, they should take down other fake documentaries like gasland or the 9-11 conspiracies that say our government blew up the WTC.

 

For those of us that question the government overreach, I think we should call out the crazy stuff like Plandemic because it weakens our argument, and we have a very strong argument. First that the WHO carried out China's lies about this virus which cost thousands of people their lives. Second that the death statistics are not accurate considering they are taking people who were in hospice care and if they died testing positive for COVID-19 it's considered a COVID death. Also the main study that the government put forth justifying the use of masks is flawed. It was based on a Chinese woman who was on a buisness trip to Germany, she was said to be "symptom free" and the three Germans who were in contact with her all contracted COVID-19. It turned out this woman was taking fever reducing medications, so right now there is NO EVIDENCE that this virus can be transmitted by people who are symptomatic. That is still the working theory of the CDC but there is no evidence.

 

The fact is government officials are making decisions based on information they don't know and understand and it is a danger to our economy which will end up costing more lives. There is plenty of solid logical arguments that can be made against the government response without jumping to conspiracy theories from people with questionable backgrounds and who are strongly anti vaccine.

 

Hope that answers your question.

 

I'm against censorship as well, even of erroneous (if to some convincing) reports. That's the first amendment speaking. (Of course within reasonable libel etc. laws that curb the 1st amendment in a reasonable way without taking away from its power.) Yes, false and misleading reports will convince some people but life ain't perfect. It's the job of those who believe that truth must come out, to speak the truth. Reasonable people (who can't spend time either trying to convince people of something or refuting something someone else said) will understand the difference.

 

Regarding the second bolded sentence, I presume you meant "people who are asymptomatic"? Because I think symptomatic people are clearly spreading the virus. But asymptomatic people NOT spreading the virus? I think the whole point has been that people who are infected but not yet sick (i.e. are asymptomatic) are at risk of spreading the disease, which is why COVID19 is considered very contagious.

 

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I watched it. My daughter (whose husband is a nurse) sent us a link. I don't believe all of it--but it made me think. And some of the intrigue? Well, I wouldn't put it past the government.

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