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AntonToo
56 minutes ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

Yes quoting Horowitz?

By the way, the current investigator is looking into these fallacies. So lets see what happens in a few weeks shall we? Right now you are just blowing smoke.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/08/obama-knew-details-of-michael-flynns-wiretapped-calls-docs/

So you think Trump was interfering with investigations. However, Obama having intimate details of an ongoing investigation means he didn't know anything about the investigation? Really?

So to conclude, the answer is NO, you can't point to any evidence.

All you have is wishful assertions. You WISH these were fallacies, you WISH the evidence shows up, but you don't have actual evidence for these grandiose assertions of illegalities and improprieties by Obama.

Obama APROPRIATELY knowing about FBI 's investigation of Russian interference in general and specifically of Flynn discussing sanctions with Russians is not evidence that he somehow directed them.

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RedSoloCup
3 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

So to conclude, the answer is NO, you can't point to any evidence.

All you have is wishful assertions. You WISH these were fallacies, you WISH the evidence shows up, but you don't have actual evidence for these grandiose assertions of illegalities and improprieties by Obama.

Obama APROPRIATELY knowing about FBI 's investigation of Russian interference in general and specifically of Flynn discussing sanctions with Russians is not evidence that he somehow directed them.

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Taggart Transcontinental
5 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

So to conclude, the answer is NO, you can't point to any evidence.

All you have is wishful assertions. You WISH these were fallacies, you WISH the evidence shows up, but you don't have actual evidence for these grandiose assertions of illegalities and improprieties by Obama.

Obama APROPRIATELY knowing about FBI 's investigation of Russian interference in general and specifically of Flynn discussing sanctions with Russians is not evidence that he somehow directed them.

No to conclude, you have no idea what you are talking about. I can't present to you anything you will accept as evidence. Lets just see what happens when the grand jury convenes. Then you will get to see all the evidence, and we can see the little piggy's scurrying around trying to find a house of sticks to hide in. There is an ongoing investigation and you will be crying when it concludes in July.

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Taggart Transcontinental
7 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

So to conclude, the answer is NO, you can't point to any evidence.

All you have is wishful assertions. You WISH these were fallacies, you WISH the evidence shows up, but you don't have actual evidence for these grandiose assertions of illegalities and improprieties by Obama.

Obama APROPRIATELY knowing about FBI 's investigation of Russian interference in general and specifically of Flynn discussing sanctions with Russians is not evidence that he somehow directed them.

but Donald Trump appropriately knowing about an investigation is impeachable right?

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Specs
5 hours ago, AntonToo said:

So to conclude, the answer is NO, you can't point to any evidence.

All you have is wishful assertions. You WISH these were fallacies, you WISH the evidence shows up, but you don't have actual evidence for these grandiose assertions of illegalities and improprieties by Obama.

Obama APROPRIATELY knowing about FBI 's investigation of Russian interference in general and specifically of Flynn discussing sanctions with Russians is not evidence that he somehow directed them.

lol @ the primitive for not seeing it's hypocrisy. 

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AntonToo
6 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

but Donald Trump appropriately knowing about an investigation is impeachable right?

You know who said that Trump knowing about an investigation is impeachable? NO ONE.

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Taggart Transcontinental
7 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

You know who said that Trump knowing about an investigation is impeachable? NO ONE.

Just the democrat party. That's no one.

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AntonToo
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4 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

Just the democrat party. That's no one.

Quote ANYONE saying that.

You are just making things up.

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Taggart Transcontinental
9 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Quote ANYONE saying that.

You are just making things up.

The entirety of the impeachment nonsense centered around a phone call regarding a Ukrainian investigation. That became the impeachable offense. Or did you forget?

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AntonToo
3 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

The entirety of the impeachment nonsense centered around a phone call regarding a Ukrainian investigation. That became the impeachable offense. Or did you forget?

You clearly have no idea what the impeachment was about.

Trump was impeached for pressuring Ukraine to publicly announce investigation of Joe Biden and his son.

Article I - ABUSE OF POWER:

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States presidential election.

He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his re-election, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official United States government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/20/what-are-trump-articles-of-impeachment

 

Trump was never accused by anyone of simply knowing about something, he was accused of trying to direct investigation for corrupt purpose.

 

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MontyPython
4 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

The entirety of the impeachment nonsense centered around a phone call regarding a Ukrainian investigation. That became the impeachable offense. Or did you forget?

I doubt it's a matter of "forgetting" with Anton - It's more a matter of being unaware of the facts all along, compounded by an utter disinterest in those facts. Anybody who can STILL be deluding himself that there were "no" crimes or scandals in the Obama administration is clearly ignoring facts with all the energy he can muster.

:rolleyes: 

 

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Taggart Transcontinental
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32 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

You clearly have no idea what the impeachment was about.

Trump was impeached for pressuring Ukraine to publicly announce investigation of Joe Biden and his son.

Article I - ABUSE OF POWER:

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States presidential election.

He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his re-election, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official United States government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/20/what-are-trump-articles-of-impeachment

 

Trump was never accused by anyone of simply knowing about something, he was accused of trying to direct investigation for corrupt purpose.

 

No child you clearly have no idea what impeachment was and will continue to be about. It is about the naked power grab that those you worship want to get. Those you fall for no matter how heinous their actions are. You are the problem here because you are all about power and control and nothing about honesty. You cannot see the truth so you parrot the lies like a good slave parrot of those you worship. I am done arguing in circles with you. You can wander out and claim your victory, we shall see in a few weeks who's right here. When your toadies all come home to roost. I hope you can vote multiple times because you will lose this next election and will cry another 4 years. Then when Jr runs you will lose another 8. Socialism is slavery, but what is needed before that slavery is a slavery of the mind. You have willfully taken the shackles of mental submission to your masters. Keep it up, it is entertaining punching clowns like you in the intellectual mouth.

Interestingly enough Obama launched an investigation INTO a President and yet you don't see that as a crime. The mere question of whether or not someone will investigate in a foreign nation is however a crime to you. The mental gymnastics a slave like you has to go through must be exhausting. No wonder you can't climb the stairs from mommy's basement to find a job.

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AntonToo
Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

No child you clearly have no idea what impeachment was and will continue to be about. It is about the naked power grab that those you worship want to get. Those you fall for no matter how heinous their actions are. You are the problem here because you are all about power and control and nothing about honesty. You cannot see the truth so you parrot the lies like a good slave parrot of those you worship. I am done arguing in circles with you. You can wander out and claim your victory, we shall see in a few weeks who's right here. When your toadies all come home to roost. I hope you can vote multiple times because you will lose this next election and will cry another 4 years. Then when Jr runs you will lose another 8. Socialism is slavery, but what is needed before that slavery is a slavery of the mind. You have willfully taken the shackles of mental submission to your masters. Keep it up, it is entertaining punching clowns like you in the intellectual mouth.

Interestingly enough Obama launched an investigation INTO a President and yet you don't see that as a crime. The mere question of whether or not someone will investigate in a foreign nation is however a crime to you. The mental gymnastics a slave like you has to go through must be exhausting. No wonder you can't climb the stairs from mommy's basement to find a job.

You stated that impeachment was about Trump knowing about an investigation.

You failed to quote ANYONE saying that and I clearly showed that your assertion was false. Trump was not charged by the impeachment Article I for knowing about an investigation as you claimed, he was charged for trying to direct investigation. Thats just the black-on-white FACT of the matter.

Instead of trying to refute that you call me names, discuss my problems, throw out more naked assertions go on tangents blah blah blah.

 

If you think that makes me think that Trump was impeached for knowing about an investigation you are again deeply wrong. As a matter of fact was not, and it is usually not improper for a President to be aware of high profile investigations, especially if they have foreign policy implications.

Your argument that I have a double standard for Trump's behaviour is simply baseless.

 

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Taggart Transcontinental
28 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

You stated that impeachment was about Trump knowing about an investigation.

You failed to quote ANYONE saying that and I clearly showed that your assertion was false. Trump was not charged by the impeachment Article I for knowing about an investigation as you claimed, he was charged for trying to direct investigation. Thats just the black-on-white FACT of the matter.

Instead of trying to refute that you call me names, discuss my problems, throw out more naked assertions go on tangents blah blah blah.

 

If you think that makes me think that Trump was impeached for knowing about an investigation you are again deeply wrong. As a matter of fact was not, and it is usually not improper for a President to be aware of high profile investigations, especially if they have foreign policy implications.

Your argument that I have a double standard for Trump's behaviour is simply baseless.

 

What's the matter child? Am I not recognizing your greatness? Yeah I will pass. Your actions and the defense of Obama speak loudly. Trump has done nothing Illegal. Zero Zip NADA. So go back to your cartoons. They are more of an intellectual match for you.

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AntonToo
22 minutes ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

What's the matter child? Am I not recognizing your greatness? Yeah I will pass. Your actions and the defense of Obama speak loudly. Trump has done nothing Illegal. Zero Zip NADA. So go back to your cartoons. They are more of an intellectual match for you.

The matter here is your consistent inability to keep a rational, fact and evidence based discussion.

You fellas sure like to get all huffed up about this and that, but fold like a cheap suit as soon as someone asks you why you belive all that tripe.

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mjperry51
On 5/31/2020 at 10:40 AM, RedSoloCup said:

You really do love smelling your own flatulence.

"Say -- that's not half bad!"

George Carlin

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MontyPython
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4 hours ago, AntonToo said:

The matter here is your consistent inability to keep a rational, fact and evidence based discussion.

You fellas sure like to get all huffed up about this and that, but fold like a cheap suit as soon as someone asks you why you belive all that tripe.

LOLOLOLOL

When you outright ignore the facts which have been presented to you, it doesn't amount to somebody else "fold[ing] like a cheap suit". I have multiple times presented you with just a few of the many outright crimes committed by the Obama administration. You have yet to even respond at all, much less present any counter-argument.

Your pretense that anybody besides you has "fold[ed] like a cheap suit" is as laughably stupid as all the rest of your "arguments" over the years have been.

<_< 

 

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AntonToo
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52 minutes ago, MontyPython said:

LOLOLOLOL

When you outright ignore the facts which have been presented to you, it doesn't amount to somebody else "fold[ing] like a cheap suit". I have multiple times presented you with just a few of the many outright crimes committed by the Obama administration. You have yet to even respond at all, much less present any counter-argument.

Your pretense that anybody besides you has "fold[ed] like a cheap suit is as laughably stupid as all the rest of your "arguments" over the years have been.

<_< 

 

Like TT you present a lot of evidence free assertions coupled with lololing about someone not buying it.

If you think you've made a fair case I didn't respond to then you are welcome to link to it and will.

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Taggart Transcontinental
1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

The matter here is your consistent inability to keep a rational, fact and evidence based discussion.

You fellas sure like to get all huffed up about this and that, but fold like a cheap suit as soon as someone asks you why you belive all that tripe.

Uh huh, that's why you keep talking child, because you cannot stand anyone challenging your paradigm. How many sets of facts are there child? Hint 1. The reality is that you and your want race wars, you want racial segregation. You are no different from the marxists of yore who divide and destroy to gain power. Have a nice day, kiddy, it must suck being confined to your parents basement.

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Taggart Transcontinental
28 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Like TT you present a lot of evidence free assertions coupled with lololing about someone not buying it.

If you think you've made a fair case I didn't respond to then you are welcome to link to it and will.

You child are like the diet pepsi of intellectuals, just one calorie, not quite intellectual enough.

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Taggart Transcontinental
1 hour ago, MontyPython said:

LOLOLOLOL

When you outright ignore the facts which have been presented to you, it doesn't amount to somebody else "fold[ing] like a cheap suit". I have multiple times presented you with just a few of the many outright crimes committed by the Obama administration. You have yet to even respond at all, much less present any counter-argument.

Your pretense that anybody besides you has "fold[ed] like a cheap suit is as laughably stupid as all the rest of your "arguments" over the years have been.

<_< 

 

Remember with Car-toon, if it isn't some sort of validated theory where someone is actually been charged or it's a claim against Trump / Republican's then there is no "basis in fact" or some other nonsense standard to the evidence. Thus emotionally he can continue to pretend he has the high ground. That's just the way Car-toon and the other leftist basement dwellers are.

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Coach

I thought Adam Schiff had cleared all of this up ?

Adam ? Adam ?

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MontyPython
44 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Like TT you present a lot of evidence free assertions coupled with lololing about someone not buying it.

If you think you've made a fair case I didn't respond to then you are welcome to link to it and will.

Wait Wait Wait - 

Are you actually insane enough to suggest the facts I presented are in any conceivable manner "questionable"??? Maybe Obama's administration "didn't" illegally smuggle guns into Mexico?? That at least one of those guns "didn't" murder an American border patrol agent?? That Obama's administration "didn't" kill at least four American citizens overseas without due legal procedure?? That Obama's administration "didn't" illegally wiretap the Trump campaign without benefit of a legal warrant?? That Obama's administration "didn't" lie to the FISA court based on the "Steele dossier" which they knew was pure bullsh*t and had been illegally paid for with taxpayer money?? That these are only SOME of the many indisputable examples of laws broken by Obama and his criminally corrupt administration???????

Seriously? You're loony enough to deny ANY of those indisputable and long-established facts???

Only the truly retarded are still denying the fact that Obama & his administration were the most criminally corrupt in America's history.

:nuts: 

 

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AntonToo
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18 hours ago, MontyPython said:

Wait Wait Wait - 

Are you actually insane enough to suggest the facts I presented are in any conceivable manner "questionable"???

Is this some sort of comedy? It is OF COURSE concievable that what one considers fact could be questioned. Yes, even if your screen name is MontyPython.

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AntonToo
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20 hours ago, MontyPython said:

 That Obama's administration "didn't" illegally wiretap the Trump campaign without benefit of a legal warrant?? That Obama's administration "didn't" lie to the FISA court based on the "Steele dossier" which they knew was pure bullsh*t and had been illegally paid for with taxpayer money??

First of all, who are you talking about when you say "Obama administration"??? The entire DOJ and FBI?

Second of all, Carter Page (and Manafort) were not with Trump campaign at the time they were wiretapped - doesn't make too much sense to wiretap a campaign through members that are no longer with the campaign. 

Assertions that Trump campaign was illegally wiretapped for some sort of nefarious political purpose, at the direction of someone in the White House is not a fact, it's thus far no more than a half-baked politico fantasy, supported by exactly nothing. FBI's actions are consistent with honest suspicions that Trump's campaign was possibly co-ordinating with Russian interference efforts in 2016 elections, based on the conspicous behaviour of it's members, Trump's bussiness entaglements in Moscow, public felating of Putin's regime and a speech where he asks Russians to get Clinton's emails.

Steele Dossier sourcing was aproprietly disclosed in the FISA application as Republicans long ago admitted. There is also no indication FBI considered it "pure bs" as you assert. On the contrary, Steele had a history with FBI of providing good intel.

Horowitz report on Carte Page warrants did find some problems, but it's not clear that they were determinitive to warrant issuance and again there was no indication any of it was driven by anyone in the Obama cabinet.

 

 

We can compare all this to DIRECT indictments against Trump and his close associates.

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