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Robert E Lee statue: Virginia governor announces removal of monument

 

https://www.bbc.com/

4 June 2020

 

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Virginia's Governor Ralph Northam has announced that a statue of Confederate General Robert E Lee will be removed from the state capital.

The controversial statue will be put into storage "as soon as possible", the governor said.

The monument has been vandalised during recent protests over the killing of African American George Floyd.

Memorials to the Confederacy, which fought to keep black people as slaves, have long stirred controversy.

At a news conference, a round of applause erupted when Governor Northam said the 12-ton statue would be removed.

"In Virginia, we no longer preach a false version of history," the governor said.

"In 2020, we can no longer honour a system that was based on enslaving people. That statue has been there a long time. But it was wrong then, and it's wrong now. So we're taking it down."

Referencing Gen Lee's own words, Governor Northam said "I think it wise not to keep open the sores of war".

The Robert E Lee statue is the largest of five Confederate statues along Richmond's Monument Avenue. They have been rallying points during protests in Virginia in recent days, and have been tagged with graffiti, including messages that say "end police brutality" and "stop white supremacy".

 

 

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Taggart Transcontinental
15 minutes ago, pepperonikkid said:

Robert E Lee statue: Virginia governor announces removal of monument

 

https://www.bbc.com/

4 June 2020

 

Article:

 

Virginia's Governor Ralph Northam has announced that a statue of Confederate General Robert E Lee will be removed from the state capital.

The controversial statue will be put into storage "as soon as possible", the governor said.

The monument has been vandalised during recent protests over the killing of African American George Floyd.

Memorials to the Confederacy, which fought to keep black people as slaves, have long stirred controversy.

At a news conference, a round of applause erupted when Governor Northam said the 12-ton statue would be removed.

"In Virginia, we no longer preach a false version of history," the governor said.

"In 2020, we can no longer honour a system that was based on enslaving people. That statue has been there a long time. But it was wrong then, and it's wrong now. So we're taking it down."

Referencing Gen Lee's own words, Governor Northam said "I think it wise not to keep open the sores of war".

The Robert E Lee statue is the largest of five Confederate statues along Richmond's Monument Avenue. They have been rallying points during protests in Virginia in recent days, and have been tagged with graffiti, including messages that say "end police brutality" and "stop white supremacy".

 

 

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This is what happens when you elect democrats, you lose your heritage and they redefine everything in light of their viewpoints.

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Noclevermoniker

I can sense the virtue signaling from Governor Coonman all the way to Texas. 

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Squirrel

As of today DFW airport is removing the Texas ranger statue. Because someone is offended. The left needs to grow up

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Natural Selection
25 minutes ago, pepperonikkid said:

Virginia's Governor Ralph Northam has announced that a statue of Confederate General Robert E Lee will be removed from the state capital.

Biden will be pissed...:lol:

 

Joe Biden voted to give Robert E. Lee his US citizenship

 

by Julio Rosas

April 29, 2019

Washington Examiner

Joe Biden, who last week blasted President Trump over a protest to bring down a statue of Robert E. Lee, voted to restore the Confederate general's citizenship early in his Senate career.

In 1975, Biden joined a unanimous Senate vote to restore citizenship to Lee, 110 years after the Virginian surrendered his Army of Northern Virginia to the Union general and future President Ulysses S. Grant. There were 10 dissenters in the House of Representatives, among them Rep. John Conyers Jr., a black Democrat from Michigan, who scoffed that the resolution was “Bicentennial fluff." Conyers retired in 2017.

Controversy over Lee was stoked last week when the former vice president, a leading 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, slammed Trump over his remarks after the violent "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 in which white supremacists gathered to denounce plans to take down a Lee statue. After Biden's video, Trump responded that he was referring to supporters of Lee when he said there were "fine people" on both sides.

Biden's 1975 vote came after a discovery in the National Archives that Lee's post-Civil War oath of allegiance, a necessary condition for his citizenship, had never reached President Andrew Johnson. Lee's 1865 request for citizenship was approved by Grant, but it did not include the oath of allegiance to the U.S., which was necessary for a pardon and his citizenship. During the Civil War, the citizenship of Confederates had been revoked.

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AntiObama

I live in Southern California and I have never seen a statue of a Confederate person here, but in Orange County the airport is named John Wayne Airport and there are Libs that hate John Wayne and want it to be renamed and the statue removed. but it doesn't get the attention like a Confederate statue does.

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MontyPython

Leftists have zero respect for (or knowledge of) history.

<_<

 

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Ticked@TinselTown

To be replaced with what?

I'm curious to know what the people pushing to remove this statue are eager to replace it with...

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2 hours ago, AntiObama said:

I live in Southern California and I have never seen a statue of a Confederate person here, but in Orange County the airport is named John Wayne Airport and there are Libs that hate John Wayne and want it to be renamed and the statue removed. but it doesn't get the attention like a Confederate statue does.

As an aside, I was never comfortable with them calling it John Wayne airport when they did so in '79; I kinda broke the informal 'tradition' of naming airports after, if anyone, famous aviators.

A few that come to mind are:

Indianapolis International (IND), Originally called Weir Cook Airport up until the late '80s,  named for USAAF Col. Harvey Weir Cook, WWI fighter ace.

Orlando International (MCO), Originally McCoy Field, named for Colonel Michael Norman Wright McCoy (RIP) of the 321st bombardment wing, who died in a crash on approximately that spot.

Rickenbacker Int'l (LCK) a cargo hub near Columbus Ohio named for the WW1 ace  but closer to LoCKbourne OH, hence the IATA name; the passenger equivalent is John Glenn Columbus International Airport (CMH), which originally started  out as Columbus Municipal Hangar. I trust you know who John Glenn was.

Chicago-O'Hare (ORD), for Navy Lt. Cmdr. Edward H. "Butch" O'Hare, RIP WWII. (The ORD comes from it's previous name of OrchaRD field)

Milwaukee Mitchell Int'l (MKE), for General Billy Mitchell, the "father" of the US Air Force as we know it today.

Amelia Earhart Airport (K51), Atchison KS, which I trust needs no explanation, except why the heck the "K51' designation?

San Diego International (SAN), formerly Lindbergh field, which I trust needs no explanation either. 

If you need a famous aviator from Orange Co, may I suggest Glenn L. Martin?

 

 

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Natural Selection
34 minutes ago, Ticked@TinselTown said:

To be replaced with what?

I'm curious to know what the people pushing to remove this statue are eager to replace it with...

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22 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

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Hmm... 🤔  Taking into account the size of the replacement piece for the Robert E. Lee statue and the size of the a**holes who are demanding its removal, I can see where this would be a dream park for quite a lot of leftards...

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RedSoloCup
17 hours ago, Noclevermoniker said:

I can sense the virtue signaling from Governor Coonman all the way to Texas. 

:exactly:

 

Give the Coonman's racist past, the SOB should be resigning from office.

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RedSoloCup
13 hours ago, Natural Selection said:

obama-statue-2.jpg

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RedSoloCup
12 hours ago, Ticked@TinselTown said:

Hmm... 🤔  Taking into account the size of the replacement piece for the Robert E. Lee statue and the size of the a**holes who are demanding its removal, I can see where this would be a dream park for quite a lot of leftards...

:exactly:

 

Gretchen Whitler could benefit from its use...🤣

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Hieronymous
15 hours ago, Dean Adam Smithee said:

As an aside, I was never comfortable with them calling it John Wayne airport when they did so in '79; I kinda broke the informal 'tradition' of naming airports after, if anyone, famous aviators.

A few that come to mind are:

Indianapolis International (IND), Originally called Weir Cook Airport up until the late '80s,  named for USAAF Col. Harvey Weir Cook, WWI fighter ace.

Orlando International (MCO), Originally McCoy Field, named for Colonel Michael Norman Wright McCoy (RIP) of the 321st bombardment wing, who died in a crash on approximately that spot.

Rickenbacker Int'l (LCK) a cargo hub near Columbus Ohio named for the WW1 ace  but closer to LoCKbourne OH, hence the IATA name; the passenger equivalent is John Glenn Columbus International Airport (CMH), which originally started  out as Columbus Municipal Hangar. I trust you know who John Glenn was.

Chicago-O'Hare (ORD), for Navy Lt. Cmdr. Edward H. "Butch" O'Hare, RIP WWII. (The ORD comes from it's previous name of OrchaRD field)

Milwaukee Mitchell Int'l (MKE), for General Billy Mitchell, the "father" of the US Air Force as we know it today.

Amelia Earhart Airport (K51), Atchison KS, which I trust needs no explanation, except why the heck the "K51' designation?

San Diego International (SAN), formerly Lindbergh field, which I trust needs no explanation either. 

If you need a famous aviator from Orange Co, may I suggest Glenn L. Martin?

 

 

Airport in San Diego is still referred to as Lindbergh Field.

Detroit City Airport had its name changed to Coleman A Young Airport quite a few years back.  That is actually quite fitting.  Name a dying airport after the guy who killed the city.

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Dean Adam Smithee
2 hours ago, Hieronymous said:

Airport in San Diego is still referred to as Lindbergh Field.

Detroit City Airport had its name changed to Coleman A Young Airport quite a few years back.  That is actually quite fitting.  Name a dying airport after the guy who killed the city.

Yup. I've flown into DTW (DeTroit, Wayne county) many many times but never Detroit City.

Sucks the way Young et al destroyed the place. There was a time I had hopes for a post-industrial "renaissance", especially after the aptly-named "Renaissance Center" ("RenCen", locally) went up in downtown in the late '70s or early '80s.

Man, there is so much GREAT architecture there. Especially gothic-inspired churches built in the art-deco era.  And it's all crumbling.

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

-Shelley, "Ozymandias"

 

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2 hours ago, MTP Reggie said:

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Lee's actions matter far more than his words.  His primary contribution to American history was to fight for secession and slavery.

While he didn't like slavery, he wasn't "opposed" to it but saw it as more of a necessary evil.

"I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

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Natural Selection
25 minutes ago, Timothy said:

Lee's actions matter far more than his words.  His primary contribution to American history was to fight for secession and slavery.

How can you support Biden when he voted to give Lee his citizenship? Apparently, Biden's words are more important to you than his actions.

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1 minute ago, Natural Selection said:

How can you support Biden when he voted to give Lee his citizenship? Apparently, Biden's words are more important to you than his actions.

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1) This is a minor part of Biden's record.  Lee's role fighting for the confederacy is by far his greatest contribution to history.

2) Restoring citizenship is not the same as erecting a statue to someone.  Restoring Lee's citizenship was an act of reconciliation.  A statue is a celebration. 

3) The statues of men who are primarily known for their role in the Confederacy like Lee and Davis aren't in many cases weren't just mean to celebrate them as men, but to celebrate the Confederate cause.  There was a major effort made after the civil war to whitewash the Confederacy.  Building up Lee to almost god like status was a part of that effort.

4) Very few people are all good or all bad.  Lee has some admiral qualities and he was a brilliant tactician.  I'm not one of those people that thinks we can't celebrate anyone who was a slave owner, for example.  I care about what someone is most known for.  Lee's primary contribution to history was to fight for an evil cause.

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29 minutes ago, Timothy said:

1) This is a minor part of Biden's record.  Lee's role fighting for the confederacy is by far his greatest contribution to history.

2) Restoring citizenship is not the same as erecting a statue to someone.  Restoring Lee's citizenship was an act of reconciliation.  A statue is a celebration. 

3) The statues of men who are primarily known for their role in the Confederacy like Lee and Davis aren't in many cases weren't just mean to celebrate them as men, but to celebrate the Confederate cause.  There was a major effort made after the civil war to whitewash the Confederacy.  Building up Lee to almost god like status was a part of that effort.

4) Very few people are all good or all bad.  Lee has some admiral qualities and he was a brilliant tactician.  I'm not one of those people that thinks we can't celebrate anyone who was a slave owner, for example.  I care about what someone is most known for.  Lee's primary contribution to history was to fight for an evil cause.

1) A "minor part of Biden's record"? Does that mean it's OK to support slavery in a "minor" way? How do you feel about the 1994 crime bill he helped write? Is that a "minor part" of his record?

2) Why would Biden support an act of reconciliation for Lee? Because of something Lee said?

3) Sounds like Obama and socialism. I think we should tear down every statue of Obama.

4) What is Biden known for?

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Natural Selection
54 minutes ago, Timothy said:

1) This is a minor part of Biden's record.

How do you explain Biden's support for the KKK Exalted Cyclops leader and democrat Senator, Robert Byrd? Was that another "act of reconciliation" and "minor part" of Biden's record?

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35 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

1) A "minor part of Biden's record"? Does that mean it's OK to support slavery in a "minor" way? How do you feel about the 1994 crime bill he helped write? Is that a "minor part" of his record?

2) Why would Biden support an act of reconciliation for Lee? Because of something Lee said?

3) Sounds like Obama and socialism. I think we should tear down every statue of Obama.

4) What is Biden known for?

This thread isn't about Biden or Obama.

A person is a combination of many different traits and acts.  A trait, or something someone did, can be unquestionably bad, but their other traits and acts can make them add up to being a good person and/or having a good legacy overall.

The fact that Washington and Jefferson were slaveowners is unquestionably hypocritical and bad.  The fact that the American Revolution maintained slavery is unquestionably a blemish on that history.  But the presence of slavery doesn't erase the fact that the revolution did much to advance the cause of freedom and improve the world.  It doesn't negate the positive contributions that Jefferson and Washington made.

That's the difference between someone like George Washington and someone like Robert E Lee.

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Timothy: Trump shoots his yap over twitter and talks trash to CNN all day long, but when it comes to actions, he’s helped black Americans in a concrete way more than any leftist in recent history at least. Why doesn’t he deserve credit for that? 

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Severian

Lee's father was a hero of the Revolutionary War, Lighthorse Lee, who signed the Declaration Of Independence, and he was married to an adopted granddaughter of George Washington. If Lee felt that what the federal government was doing was wrong enough to side with his state over the Feds, I'll take his word on what the Constitution meant over any neo-Marxist liberal college student or Leftist Democrat any day.

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