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Liberals Still Think Obama Was The 'Best President Ever,' Here Are 14 Reasons Why That's Ridiculous

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AntonToo
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1 hour ago, Confessor said:

Avoided any major scandals?  You mean he and his cadre were not prosecuted for any scandals. Benghazi, Hitlery email, Biden doing just what they impeached President Trump for, Fast and Furious, Reggie Love, and his being married to an illegal alien (Klingon, I believe), and so many others. 
 

Avoiding prosecution and investigation for all of the corruption was a product of :

A. We can’t smear the first black president 

B. Media and Deep State complicity and fawning

C. Idiot liberals backing the most corrupt person ever to occupy the White House. 
 

So please, head over to the Daily Beast where they agree with your lies and deception. We aren’t buying it here. 

D. Trump and his DOJ? :rolleyes:

He has been a president for 3.5 years now. The conspiracy is indeed grand.

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RedSoloCup
1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

D. Trump and his DOJ? :rolleyes:

He has been a president for 3.5 years now. The conspiracy is indeed grand.

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RedSoloCup
1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Both Rice and Powel handled classified emails on “not authorized servers” of aol and gmail. You know anyone that wanted to put them in jail for it?

The elephant you righties are trying to make of these email handling flies probably means you don’t have any serious scandals and corruption to get a grip on.

And did you know that Clinton is not Obama?

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14 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Both Rice and Powel handled classified emails on “not authorized servers” of aol and gmail. You know anyone that wanted to put them in jail for it?

The elephant you righties are trying to make of these email handling flies probably means you don’t have any serious scandals and corruption to get a grip on.

And did you know that Clinton is not Obama?

No, they didn't.  In fact, Powell, himself, put the end to that lie.  He used a personal email from time to time for personal conversations.  For official business, he used state.gov .  He, himself, states he did NOTHING like what HRC did and that the comparison is invalid.

You leftists love to compare apples to baseball bats, so what classified information did Powell deal with on unauthorized, un protetected networks?  What federal records or potential federal records did he destroy so that investigators could not have access to them?  What company did he hire to wipe his personal communication devices so that they could not be read?  What phones and hard drives did he phyically destroy.

And, did you know, that Hillary was Obama's SecState, arguably the most powerful Cabinet Member when a leftist is in office?  Did you know, that as an executive branch secretary, she was accountable to Obama and Obama, as the President, is responsible for the actions of his State Department?

Must be nice to be a leftist, be in charge, and be responsible for nothing.  Just claim ignorance!  Obama was the greatest president evah because he was ignorant of everything done in his executive branch.  Ringing endorsement, that.  

 

 

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14 hours ago, JerryL said:

No, they didn't.  In fact, Powell, himself, put the end to that lie.  He used a personal email from time to time for personal conversations.  For official business, he used state.gov .  He, himself, states he did NOTHING like what HRC did and that the comparison is invalid.

You leftists love to compare apples to baseball bats, so what classified information did Powell deal with on unauthorized, un protetected networks?  What federal records or potential federal records did he destroy so that investigators could not have access to them?  What company did he hire to wipe his personal communication devices so that they could not be read?  What phones and hard drives did he phyically destroy.

And, did you know, that Hillary was Obama's SecState, arguably the most powerful Cabinet Member when a leftist is in office?  Did you know, that as an executive branch secretary, she was accountable to Obama and Obama, as the President, is responsible for the actions of his State Department?

Must be nice to be a leftist, be in charge, and be responsible for nothing.  Just claim ignorance!  Obama was the greatest president evah because he was ignorant of everything done in his executive branch.  Ringing endorsement, that.  

 

 

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On 6/16/2020 at 10:40 PM, JerryL said:

No, they didn't.  In fact, Powell, himself, put the end to that lie.  He used a personal email from time to time for personal conversations.  For official business, he used state.gov .  He, himself, states he did NOTHING like what HRC did and that the comparison is invalid.

Oh wow he SAID that? Amazing how some people can just SAY something and that puts an end to things. :rolleyes:

But unfortunately for Powell emailing takes more than one person, so whatever you recieve, someone else has a copy of.

 

Steve Linick, the inspector general for the state department, wrote in a memo that two emails sent to Powell and 10 emails sent to Rice’s staff contained classified national security information.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

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On 6/16/2020 at 10:40 PM, JerryL said:

And, did you know, that Hillary was Obama's SecState, arguably the most powerful Cabinet Member when a leftist is in office?  Did you know, that as an executive branch secretary, she was accountable to Obama and Obama, as the President, is responsible for the actions of his State Department?

Thats just silly, no one reasonable is going to hold Obama accountable for how emails were handled in various departments.

He was the president, not the chief of IT. This didn't even surface as an issue until 2013, when Clinton was already gone from office.

 

And just for a second contrast that with direct corruption and abuse of office charges against Trump (who by the way keeps using unsecured phones). It's not even in the same universe.

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22 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Oh wow he SAID that? Amazing how some people can just SAY something and that puts an end to things. :rolleyes:

But unfortunately for Powell emailing takes more than one person, so whatever you recieve, someone else has a copy of.

 

Steve Linick, the inspector general for the state department, wrote in a memo that two emails sent to Powell and 10 emails sent to Rice’s staff contained classified national security information.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

2 emails by Colon Powell sent in personal communications on a non government email account determined to contain classified information = setting up an unauthorized server for the express purpose of bypassing the required government networks, routinely handling classified information on the unauthorized server, conducting unclassified government work on the unauthorized non-government server against Federal, and Federal Records, regulations, deleting of 30K+ emails, wiping of servers and destruction of materials.  That's a stretch, even for you.

BTW, finding those two emails contradicts nothing he said, further highlighting how bad your reading comprehension is.  He did business on the government networks and nothing you posted counters that.  Looks like he f'd up twice in his personal comms by divulging information that was later determined to be classified.  If it were me, I would have lost my clearance permanently.  

Now that you apples to baseball bat comparison has been shown for what it is, anything else.  Want to address the breadth and depth of HRC's infractions.

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23 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Thats just silly, no one reasonable is going to hold Obama accountable for how emails were handled in various departments.

He was the president, not the chief of IT. This didn't even surface as an issue until 2013, when Clinton was already gone from office.

 

And just for a second contrast that with direct corruption and abuse of office charges against Trump (who by the way keeps using unsecured phones against security protocol). It's not even in the same universe.

No partisan sycophant who has applied continuous suction to Obama for 11 years will hold him accountable for anything.  You prove that daily.

Again, for possible penetration...SHE SET UP AN UNAUTHORIZED SERVER TO AVOID USING GOVERNMENT NETWORKS.  She didn't simply send a message on an unauthorized network.  You don't think that your messiah and HRC ever exchanged emails? 

Bottom line, that old Democrat mantra of "The Buck Stops Here" is dead and buried.  You dip<censored>s are never responsible for anything.  

Your "second contrast" is simply BS.  You have already shown that you don't give a <censored> about actual laws, so don't pretend to care about protocols.

But, I forget that not indicted = innocent and acquitted = guilty.  

Leftists are morons.

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MontyPython
38 minutes ago, JerryL said:

Leftists are morons.

Yup. If they weren't, they wouldn't be leftists in the first place.

<_<

 

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RedSoloCup
4 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Oh wow he SAID that? Amazing how some people can just SAY something and that puts an end to things. :rolleyes:

But unfortunately for Powell emailing takes more than one person, so whatever you recieve, someone else has a copy of.

 

Steve Linick, the inspector general for the state department, wrote in a memo that two emails sent to Powell and 10 emails sent to Rice’s staff contained classified national security information.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

 

4 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Thats just silly, no one reasonable is going to hold Obama accountable for how emails were handled in various departments.

He was the president, not the chief of IT. This didn't even surface as an issue until 2013, when Clinton was already gone from office.

 

And just for a second contrast that with direct corruption and abuse of office charges against Trump (who by the way keeps using unsecured phones). It's not even in the same universe.

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8 hours ago, JerryL said:

No partisan sycophant who has applied continuous suction to Obama for 11 years will hold him accountable for anything.  You prove that daily.

Again, for possible penetration...SHE SET UP AN UNAUTHORIZED SERVER TO AVOID USING GOVERNMENT NETWORKS.  She didn't simply send a message on an unauthorized network.  You don't think that your messiah and HRC ever exchanged emails? 

Bottom line, that old Democrat mantra of "The Buck Stops Here" is dead and buried.  You dip&lt;censored&gt;s are never responsible for anything.  

Your "second contrast" is simply BS.  You have already shown that you don't give a &lt;censored&gt; about actual laws, so don't pretend to care about protocols.

But, I forget that not indicted = innocent and acquitted = guilty.  

Leftists are morons.

That is  simply hilarious.

 

No less than 8 Senate REPUBLICANS are telling you Trump is guilty as Article I charged, but according to you because they (except one) didn't want to remove him from office for it, then therefore they didn't find guilt.

A Republican named Sondland, who donated 1 million dollars to Trump's campaign and was handpicked by Trump to deal with Ukraine is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as charged by Article I from first hand account.

A Republican named Bolton, Trump's top foreign policy advisor, who directly dealt with Trump on these matters, is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as Article I charged from first hand account, that he constantly mixes in personal interests with the conduct of American foreign policy and that "Obstruction of Justice is a way of life" for Trump.

A Republican named Mueller headed investigation that found and detailed to you no less than 9 clear episodes of Trump Obstructing Justice. 

A Republican named Comey told you Trump was corruptly pressuring him for loyalty and to squash an investigation into his cabinet member.

Trump's Republican White House council told you that he was packing his sht rather than carry out Trump's order to process the removal of Special Investigator Mueller.

Trump's Republican bag man Lewandowski told you that he ignored Trump's direction to tell Attorney General Sessions to un-recuse and squash the Russia investigation, or be fired.

 

...And then you call someone else a suck-off and a moron while you are still stuck trying to pin on Obama something about Hillary's email handling?  Hilarious

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28 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

That is  simply hilarious.

 

No less than 8 Senate REPUBLICANS are telling you Trump is guilty as Article I charged, but according to you because they (except one) didn't want to remove him from office for it, then therefore they didn't find guilt.

A Republican named Sondland, who donated 1 million dollars to Trump's campaign and was handpicked by Trump to deal with Ukraine is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as charged by Article I from first hand account.

A Republican named Bolton, Trump's top foreign policy advisor, who directly dealt with Trump on these matters, is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as Article I charged from first hand account, that he constantly mixes in personal interests with the conduct of American foreign policy and that "Obstruction of Justice is a way of life" for Trump.

A Republican named Mueller headed investigation that found and detailed to you no less than 9 clear episodes of Trump Obstructing Justice. 

A Republican named Comey told you Trump was corruptly pressuring him for loyalty and to squash an investigation into his cabinet member.

Trump's Republican White House council told you that he was packing his sht rather than carry out Trump's order to process the removal of Special Investigator named Mueller.

Trump's Republican bag man Lewandowski told you that he ignored Trump's direction to get AG Sessions to un-recuse and squash the Russia investigation.

 

...And then you call someone else a suck-off and a moron?  Hilarious

:biglaugh:

Ironic, coming from you.

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On 6/15/2020 at 1:28 PM, AntonToo said:

Yes, avoided any major scandals. 

If taking money for your charity or political compaigns is proof of corruption then everyone in Washington is corrupt. You can get an ear of ANY politican if you give enough money, thats just the reality of how things work.

The double standard you set out for Clinton is rediculous. Hillary (who is not Obama last I checked) has never been formally accused of any corruption, not even by "Hillary for prison" Trump's DOJ. I don't know how you could possibly erect a "major scandal" out of so little to go on.

When you say "avoided any major scandals", we all know you mean that the media and justice department avoided reporting and investigating them.

Did his administration spy on Americans?

Did his administration kill Americans on foreign soil?

What was Operation Fast and Furious?  

When Operation Fast and Furious backfired, why did President Obama tried to sell the American people on gun control because of his administration's  illegal gun sales program?

Who remembers the IRS targeting scandal?

Why did Obama promise Putin flexibility after the elections?  Why did the Obama Administration involve itself in the day to day operations of Ukrainian politics?  Why did they bribe Ukraine with a billion dollars?

Why was the Obama Administration linked so heavily with our intelligence services spying on the Trump Campaign?

 

Yes, it is easy to say they avoided scandals if you bury your head in the sand.

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3 hours ago, Dutch13 said:

When you say "avoided any major scandals", we all know you mean that the media and justice department avoided reporting and investigating them.

Did his administration spy on Americans?

Did his administration kill Americans on foreign soil?

What was Operation Fast and Furious?  

When Operation Fast and Furious backfired, why did President Obama tried to sell the American people on gun control because of his administration's  illegal gun sales program?

Who remembers the IRS targeting scandal?

Why did Obama promise Putin flexibility after the elections?  Why did the Obama Administration involve itself in the day to day operations of Ukrainian politics?  Why did they bribe Ukraine with a billion dollars?

Why was the Obama Administration linked so heavily with our intelligence services spying on the Trump Campaign?

 

Yes, it is easy to say they avoided scandals if you bury your head in the sand.

You pose loaded questions that seem to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government during his stay in office - thats just not reasonable.

There is nothing scandalous about FBI lawfully "spying" on Americans with an apropriate warrant. There is no evidence of Obama or anyone in the White House directing FBI's investigations or having ANYTHING to do with their surveilance decisions. Unlike Trump, Obama respected FBI's independence and stayed the hell out of the justice process.

IRS enforcement of 503c rules never connected to anyone in the administration, descisions seems to have been made in the middle management.

F&F may have been bad policy, but no one ever claimed any corruption.

 

With Trump we have many credible and direct charges of specifically CORRUPT behavior, not merely bad policy or duplicity that is par for the course for politicians. There is just nothing comparable on Obama.

 

 

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2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

You pose loaded questions that seem to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government during his stay in office - thats just not reasonable.

There is nothing scandalous about FBI "spying" on Americans with a apropriate warrant. There is no evidence of Obama or anyone in the White House directing FBI's investigations or having ANYTHING to do with their surveilance decisions. Unlike Trump, Obama respected FBI's independence and stayed the hell out of the justice process.

IRS enforcement of 503c rules never connected to anyone in the administration, descisions seems to have been made in the middle management.

F&F may have been bad policy, but no one ever claimed any corruption.

 

With Trump we have many credible and direct charges of specifically CORRUPT behavior, not merely bad policy or duplicity that is par for the course for politicians. There is just nothing comparable on Obama.

 

 

You’re always good for a laugh that’s for sure. 
 

It’s probably a good strategy on your part to spew large amounts of unbelievably erroneous and intentionally wrongful statements and charges about Trump. When one reads them, the question isn’t whether it was all BS, the question is where to start. 
 

That’s when your strategy to be repeatedly over the top outrageous with everything works, because eventually, anyone reading your posts is going to think “I’m just not going to go through picking this apart, because 1) there’s so much wrong, it’ll take way too long to type answers, and 2) he’ll just ignore all real evidence and claim victory when no one wants to spend the time”. 
 

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On 6/15/2020 at 1:25 PM, AntonToo said:

Horsecrap, it was not "proven wrong".

If you have no real argument just run along now, no bs comments required.

Yet you still post the same bs proven wrong over and over. Perhaps take your own advise. But I’m not giving you a participation trophy. I’m sure your mom can run a juice box to you in the basement.

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23 minutes ago, zurg said:

It’s probably a good strategy on your part to spew large amounts of unbelievably erroneous and intentionally wrongful statements and charges about Trump. When one reads them, the question isn’t whether it was all BS, the question is where to start. 

Well you can start by read up and informing yourself about the topic, forumlate an opinion slightly more sophisticated than "if it's bad and about Trump, then it's false" and then you can come back here and BEGIN to substantively respond.

For now all you are good for is obsessions about me and my "strategy"

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15 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Yet you still post the same bs proven wrong over and over. Perhaps take your own advise. But I’m not giving you a participation trophy. I’m sure your mom can run a juice box to you in the basement.

Assert assert assert :yawn:

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3 hours ago, AntonToo said:

You pose loaded questions that seem to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government during his stay in office - thats just not reasonable.

:woot:

Incredible - ROFFLMFAO - So your "argument" (such as it is, LOL) is that the Top Man in the administration needn't actually pay attention to what's going on in that administration?? It's "not reasonable"??

:thud: 

 

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4 hours ago, AntonToo said:

You pose loaded questions that seem to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government during his stay in office - thats just not reasonable.

There is nothing scandalous about FBI lawfully "spying" on Americans with an apropriate warrant. There is no evidence of Obama or anyone in the White House directing FBI's investigations or having ANYTHING to do with their surveilance decisions. Unlike Trump, Obama respected FBI's independence and stayed the hell out of the justice process.

IRS enforcement of 503c rules never connected to anyone in the administration, descisions seems to have been made in the middle management.

F&F may have been bad policy, but no one ever claimed any corruption.

 

With Trump we have many credible and direct charges of specifically CORRUPT behavior, not merely bad policy or duplicity that is par for the course for politicians. There is just nothing comparable on Obama.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Well you can start by read up and informing yourself about the topic, forumlate an opinion slightly more sophisticated than "if it's bad and about Trump, then it's false" and then you can come back here and BEGIN to substantively respond.

For now all you are good for is obsessions about me and my "strategy"

:yawn:

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Assert assert assert :yawn:

:biglaugh:

Troll troll troll :yawn:

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2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Assert assert assert :yawn:

Well that is definitely a logical stringing together of words. Want to try again after you get talking points. I believe the word your looking for is asshat, asshat,, as in what you are. But please carry on or define what your trying to say

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JerryL
12 hours ago, AntonToo said:

That is  simply hilarious.

 

No less than 8 Senate REPUBLICANS are telling you Trump is guilty as Article I charged, but according to you because they (except one) didn't want to remove him from office for it, then therefore they didn't find guilt.

A Republican named Sondland, who donated 1 million dollars to Trump's campaign and was handpicked by Trump to deal with Ukraine is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as charged by Article I from first hand account.

A Republican named Bolton, Trump's top foreign policy advisor, who directly dealt with Trump on these matters, is telling you Trump is guilty of corruption as Article I charged from first hand account, that he constantly mixes in personal interests with the conduct of American foreign policy and that "Obstruction of Justice is a way of life" for Trump.

A Republican named Mueller headed investigation that found and detailed to you no less than 9 clear episodes of Trump Obstructing Justice. 

A Republican named Comey told you Trump was corruptly pressuring him for loyalty and to squash an investigation into his cabinet member.

Trump's Republican White House council told you that he was packing his sht rather than carry out Trump's order to process the removal of Special Investigator Mueller.

Trump's Republican bag man Lewandowski told you that he ignored Trump's direction to tell Attorney General Sessions to un-recuse and squash the Russia investigation, or be fired.

 

...And then you call someone else a suck-off and a moron while you are still stuck trying to pin on Obama something about Hillary's email handling?  Hilarious

Not one first hand knowledge of any wrong doing on the part of the president and his campaign and his administration as has to do with the corruption/collusion/quid pro quo BS.  Not one.  Did you even watch Sondland's testimony?  It was embarrassing...for Sondland.  Everyone else's "knowledge" led back to having heard something Sondland...who never heard anything from he President or anyone else.  It was simply a perception/belief that he held.  

And why do you keep hanging your hat on "A Republican?"  You do know that the Republican establishment has fought Trump tooth and nail from his campaign until today?  He is not a politician and he scares the &lt;censored&gt; out of both left and right professional politicians and bureaucrats.  He is a threat to them. 

If you watched the impeachment with an open mind, you would have been embarrassed for how half-assed the charges were and how the House prosecutors completely failed to support the charges in any case.  The defense dismantled every argument they had.

And, he was acquitted!  You can't change that.  

I get into "discussions" all the time here with other conservatives about what and how DJT does things, their impacts, their appropriateness, their utility, etc.  I did the same when GWB was in office.  The right, and particularly those here at RN, don't have the hive-mind that you leftist sheep have mastered and that you, personally, embody and for which you are the poster child.  The extent to which you are bereft of independent thought and have zero capacity for critical thought is mind boggling.  You have never criticized a leftist for anything of substance.  Your argument in support of the messiah boils down to "Barry didn't do those things himself and he can't be held accountable for what the executive branch agencies that worked for him did."  

Pathetic.

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4 hours ago, MontyPython said:

:woot:

Incredible - ROFFLMFAO - So your "argument" (such as it is, LOL) is that the Top Man in the administration needn't actually pay attention to what's going on in that administration?? It's "not reasonable"??

:thud: 

 

From Antoon:  "...to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government..."

Worse.  You can't hold him accountable for anything done by Executive Agencies that worked directly for him.  Nothing. 

Trump is personally responsible for everything that happens in this country, from the Corona Virus to bad cops in Democrat controlled cities killing suspects.  All of it is DJT's fault. 

Obama?  Completely innocent.  He either supported the things HIS agencies did or he was completely IGNORANT of and OBLIVIOUS to those things.  Either way, the messiah is innocent.

Funny how "he was too stupid or too lazy to follow what people working for him did" is actually a badge of honor for Antoon's political god.

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2 hours ago, JerryL said:

From Antoon:  "...to broadly blame Obama personally for ANYTHING that happened in the Federal government..."

Worse.  You can't hold him accountable for anything done by Executive Agencies that worked directly for him.  Nothing. 

Trump is personally responsible for everything that happens in this country, from the Corona Virus to bad cops in Democrat controlled cities killing suspects.  All of it is DJT's fault. 

Obama?  Completely innocent.  He either supported the things HIS agencies did or he was completely IGNORANT of and OBLIVIOUS to those things.  Either way, the messiah is innocent.

Funny how "he was too stupid or too lazy to follow what people working for him did" is actually a badge of honor for Antoon's political god.

Yup. And it would be hilarious to watch, if not for the fact that the morons who "think" like Anton are destroying this country.

Nothing "hilarious" about that.

<_< 

 

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