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Natural Selection
11 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

The President: I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine....the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

Seems you keep having the counterfactual take on reality. Because Trump is clearly talking about how good United States is to Ukraine and how Ukraine is not quite returning the favor.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Why do you people always have to omit information to support your narrative? Right after Trump says "I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine" he describes what we do for Ukraine. He says "We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time". No mention at all about financial aid. That's the part you cut out.

You people lie by omission and you're not fooling anyone.

Also, how are Trump's personal political interests different than the interests of the United States? Is it not in the United States best interest to determine what's going on with Hillary's server and Biden's son?

Investigating the democrats obvious corruption in Ukraine prevents that same corruption from regaining power in the United States.

I don't think you understand that when a President does something good for America it helps him personally with the next election. That's how it's supposed to work. Do you think Trump should stop doing everything that people approve of because it helps him politically?

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AntonToo
3 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

Why do you people always have to omit information to support your narrative? Right after Trump says "I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine" he describes what we do for Ukraine. He says "We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time". No mention at all about financial aid at all.

Financial millitary aid is PRIMARILY what United States did for Ukraine. Everyone on this conversation knows that damn well.

 

Trump is clearly saying that Ukraine is getting a lot from America, clearly talks about how Ukraine is not recieprocating and then proceeds to talk about favors he would like Ukraine to do.

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Natural Selection
Just now, AntonToo said:

Financial and millitary aid is PRIMARILY what United States did for Ukraine. Everyone on this conversation knows that damn well.

Trump didn't say financial or military. He said effort and time. You're putting words in his mouth to make him appear guilty.

Also, how are Trump's personal political interests different than the interests of the United States? Is it not in the United States best interest to determine what's going on with Hillary's server and Biden's son?

Investigating the democrats obvious corruption in Ukraine prevents that same corruption from regaining power in the United States.

I don't think you understand that when a President does something good for America it helps him personally with the next election. That's how it's supposed to work. Do you think Trump should stop doing everything that people approve of because it helps him politically?

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AntonToo
Just now, Natural Selection said:

Trump didn't say financial or military. He said effort and time.

What effort?

I can show you what financial and millitary aid, would you like me to?

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AntonToo
4 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

Investigating the democrats obvious corruption in Ukraine

If it's obvious why did Trump's DOJ not open investigation? Why is Trump arm twisting foreign coutry for investigations that he wants public announcement of?

It's been a year, there are no actual charges against anyone.

Can you square that?

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Natural Selection
11 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

What effort?

I can show you what financial and millitary aid, would you like me to?

The Trump administration, and Trump himself, spent time and effort discussing Ukraine with Putin. The Trump administration, along with the DoD, spent time and effort studying the different scenarios regarding Ukraine.

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AntonToo
3 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

The Trump administration, and Trump himself, spent time and effort discussing Ukraine with Putin. The Trump administration, along with the DoD, spent time and effort studying the different scenarios regarding Ukraine.

lol

Source?

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Natural Selection
11 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

If it's obvious why did Trump's DOJ not open investigation? Why is Trump arm twisting foreign coutry for investigations that he wants public announcement of?

It's been a year, there are no actual charges against anyone.

Can you square that?

I think smoking weed has affected your memory. We've already discussed the "arm twisting" and "public announcement" claims of yours. Both of which have been debunked.

We also discussed charges against corrupt democrats. As I previously made clear, Trump is trying to attract the votes of those who mistakenly supported those corrupt democrats in the past. Charging their previous heros will not help in that regard. I ALSO pointed out that after the election Trump doesn't have to worry about such things and will be free to pursue charges.

Also, how are Trump's personal political interests different than the interests of the United States? Is it not in the United States best interest to determine what's going on with Hillary's server and Biden's son?

I don't think you understand that when a President does something good for America it helps him personally with the next election. That's how it's supposed to work. Do you think Trump should stop doing everything that people approve of because it helps him politically?

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Natural Selection
6 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

lol

Source?

(2018 summit)

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RedSoloCup
13 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

lol

Source?

Lol, are you going to drop in the "Hunter Biden Secret Service Escort" thread?

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RedSoloCup
2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Zellensky is not Trump. Zelensky was elected on anti-corruption platform and DoD certified meaningful progress on that end from his administration. This is who Trump decided to extort for political favors in the form of public announcements, while saying nice things about a swamp monster that Biden got kicked out of office.

Trump on the call (or anywhere else that was ever shown) showed no interest any anti-corruption that didn't involve his personal interests. And by the way, this did not just extend to Ukraine, Trump generally has shown no interest in addressing corruption ANYWHERE.

If you have ANY examples to the contrary GO AHEAD, provide them. Trump administration certainly hasn't, not during pressers, not during impeachment.

TO THIS DAY administration has no official explanation for the hold up of millitary aid, which is why it was deemed illegal by Government Accountability Office.

 

2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Amazing story bro.

But do you actually have ANY examples of Trump being interested in corruption that did not involve his personal poltical interests?

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

On the call is Trump is talking about Ukraine not recieprocating generous American aid. He then tells Zelensky how Ukraine can recieprocate - "do us a favor" and work with Trump's personal lawyer to investigate Crowdstrike holding DNC server and Bidens.

All the elements of the quid pro quo are very carefully and gently stated here, just as Trump was very gently asking Comey to find a way to let Flynn go.

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

wow, way to crap your pants in public.

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47 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

The President: I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine....the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

...that whole nonsetise ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

 

Trump is clearly prefacing asking for favors by talking about how good United States is to Ukraine, how Ukraine is not recieprocating, and he seems to be blaming Ukraine for Russia investigation.

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Financial millitary aid is PRIMARILY what United States did for Ukraine. Everyone on this conversation knows that damn well.

 

Trump is clearly saying that Ukraine is getting a lot from America, clearly talks about how Ukraine is not recieprocating and then proceeds to talk about favors he would like Ukraine to do.

 

32 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

What effort?

I can show you what financial and millitary aid, would you like me to?

 

30 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

If it's obvious why did Trump's DOJ not open investigation? Why is Trump arm twisting foreign coutry for investigations that he wants public announcement of?

It's been a year, there are no actual charges against anyone.

Can you square that?

Blah blah blah. 

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AntonToo
35 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

Vladimir Putin proposed holding a referendum in war-torn eastern Ukraine when he met Donald Trump in Helsinki this week, it has been reported.

Did Trump spend alot of time on getting Putin to propose things to him? This is laughable.

 

Anyway, what America primarily did  is send financial and millitary aid.

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MontyPython
2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Amazing story bro.

But do you actually have ANY examples of Trump being interested in corruption that did not involve his personal poltical interests?

 

LOL. Sorry clueless, that's not how it works in real life. You can't "prove" a negative. If something didn't happen you can't provide "proof" of its non-existence. Nope, the onus is upon the accuser (in this case you) to prove something did happen (in this case your preposterous lie that Trump's conversation with Zelinsky involved only his personal self-interest as opposed to America's best interests), something you have hilariously failed at every turn to do.

<_< 

 

 

 

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AntonToo
57 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

I ALSO pointed out that after the election Trump doesn't have to worry about such things and will be free to pursue charges.

...you are saying Trump is halting the DOJ investigation of "obvious Democrat corruption" because Trump DOES NOT actually want Biden, the one guy that could end his presidency in a few months, investigated at this time. This after he stood on the White House lawn to tell the world he wants Biden investigated by Ukraine and China?

tenor.gif

 

Really? Seriously? is this conversation actually happening right now?

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zurg
5 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

...You are saying Trump is interfering in the DOJ investigation of "obvious Democrat corruption" for political reasons?

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

If it's obvious why did Trump's DOJ not open investigation? Why is Trump arm twisting foreign coutry for investigations that he wants public announcement of?

It's been a year, there are no actual charges against anyone.

Can you square that?

Have you ever heard of the Deep State and the political and media power they yield? 

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AntonToo
9 minutes ago, MontyPython said:

LOL. Sorry clueless, that's not how it works in real life. You can't "prove" a negative. If something didn't happen you can't provide "proof" of its non-existence.

Trump asking for any other corruption investigation is A POSITIVE. Easily proven by his admin....if Trump had any actual interest in general corruption in Ukraine.

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AntonToo
2 minutes ago, zurg said:

 

Have you ever heard of the Deep State and the political and media power they yield? 

Deep State bro! A president can't deal with something like that.

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RedSoloCup
1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Vladimir Putin proposed holding a referendum in war-torn eastern Ukraine when he met Donald Trump in Helsinki this week, it has been reported.

Did Trump spend alot of time on getting Putin to propose things to him? This is laughable.

 

Anyway, what America primarily did  is send financial and millitary aid.

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

...you are saying Trump is halting the DOJ investigation of "obvious Democrat corruption" because Trump DOES NOT actually want Biden, the one guy that could end his presidency in a few months, investigated at this time. This after he stood on the White House lawn to tell the world he wants Biden investigated by Ukraine and China?

tenor.gif

 

Really? Seriously? is this conversation actually happening right now?

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Trump asking for any other corruption investigation is A POSITIVE. Easily proven by his admin....if Trump had any actual interest in general corruption in Ukraine.

 

1 hour ago, AntonToo said:

Deep State bro! A president can't deal with something like that.

:biglaugh:

 

and no we aren't laughing with you, but AT you.

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RedSoloCup
1 hour ago, MontyPython said:

 

LOL. Sorry clueless, that's not how it works in real life. You can't "prove" a negative. If something didn't happen you can't provide "proof" of its non-existence. Nope, the onus is upon the accuser (in this case you) to prove something did happen (in this case your preposterous lie that Trump's conversation with Zelinsky involved only his personal self-interest as opposed to America's best interests), something you have hilariously failed at every turn to do.

<_< 

 

 

 

:exactly:

But typical with Antoon,  in one ear and out the other. 

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MontyPython
2 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Trump asking for any other corruption investigation is A POSITIVE. Easily proven by his admin....if Trump had any actual interest in general corruption in Ukraine.

Yes, Trump proved he was interested in general corruption in Ukraine, and that was a positive thing in America's best interests. Your "objection" thereto (:rolleyes:) is based purely on blind partisan politics. Just like ALL of your "arguments" against President Trump.

<_< 

 

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AntonToo
2 hours ago, MontyPython said:

Yes, Trump proved he was interested in general corruption in Ukraine

How??

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MontyPython
15 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

How??

By asking a Ukrainian to look into it.

Sheesh, wake up fer chrissake.

B) 

 

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JerryL
12 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Trump has the call Zelensky, on it he wanted two things investigated - Crowdstrike hold of DNC Server that had to do with Russia investigation he loathed and Bidens.

There was absolutely ZERO mention of any corruption in Ukraine. And Trump expressed no interest in investigating anything else.

Sondland, pointman for Trump on Ukraine, testified to saying that Trump doesn’t give a &lt;censored&gt; about Ukraine beyond his personal political interests.

To this date, Trump and his people have not been able to give even a single example of Trump pursuing ANY specific anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine that did not personally involve Trump’s political interests.

You have one? Post it.

Nothing in that call even suggests pressure or consequences if they don't do what he suggested.  The whole Crowsdstrike and Biden issues ARE corruption.  The Bidens were most definitely involved in Ukraine.  You don't see that because they are Democrat corruption and, for you, that is in impossibility.  

I would like to see that portion of the testimony from Sondland, please.  I have already shown you over and over where Sondland denies having any knowledge, other than his own presumption, of any pressure on Ukraine to investigate the Bidens.

As of the anti-corruptions efforts and the policy thereof, those were discussed in detail by his defense team during the sham impeachment.  Educate yourself.  I have shown you proof after proof that things like what you say Sondland and Mulvaney have said are completely false.  You don't accept their own words as proof.  Why would I bother to give you more.

How about YOU provide any shred of first hand evidence or testimony of his corruption and guilt?  I will wait.

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JerryL
11 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Completely fake quotes.

Absolutely there is a legitimate way to investigate Bidens just like anyone else, as I explained many times already.

You file a criminal complaint with DOJ and have them (quietly) investigate it. If what they find there is something to it, then DOJ then could seek co-operation with Ukrainian authorities under treaty terms.

Trump personally driving an effort to force Ukrainian President to go on TV to announce investigation of Bidens has NOTHING to do with proper justice process, it’s corrupt politicking at it’s worst.

The quotes are paraphrases of your stances, Duhhh.  Any thinking person would recognize that they are not direct quotes.

Thanks for your opinion on how international relations and diplomacy and law enforcement should work.  Much like you have zero direct knowledge of security clearances and information protection in the USG, you have no clue on what you are talking about here.  

Finally, post proof of the bold.  Still haven't seen anything from you other than your out of @$$ assertion.  

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Natural Selection
10 hours ago, AntonToo said:

...you are saying Trump is halting the DOJ investigation of "obvious Democrat corruption" because Trump DOES NOT actually want Biden, the one guy that could end his presidency in a few months, investigated at this time. This after he stood on the White House lawn to tell the world he wants Biden investigated by Ukraine and China?

tenor.gif

 

Really? Seriously? is this conversation actually happening right now?

I was referring to Hillary Clinton and Obama. Biden is not a threat to Trump's second term and Trump is not worried about losing Biden's 17 supporters.

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