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Hundreds of Michigan Residents Turn Over Unsolicited Ballot Applications Sent to Dead, Noncitizen, Underage ‘Voters’

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Hundreds of Michigan Residents Turn Over Unsolicited Ballot Applications Sent to Dead, Noncitizen, Underage ‘Voters’

 

https://www.breitbart.com/

KYLE OLSON

19 Jun 2020

 

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Hundreds of Michigan residents have responded to state Sen. Ruth Johnson’s (R-Holly) request for evidence of ballot applications sent to dead, noncitizen, or underage “voters” by Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D).

Breitbart News previously reported that Benson used $4.5 million of CARES Act funds to usurp the power of local clerks to automatically send unrequested ballot applications to all 7.7 million Michigan registered voters.

Several people took to social media or contacted Johnson’s office to complain that applications arrived at their address for previous occupants, many of whom moved away years ago or are dead.

Eric Johnson posted on Facebook that he received an application at his home for the former owner’s dad who has “been dead 20 years.”

In an appearance on The Kyle Olson Show, Johnson contended Benson is breaking Michigan law and even her own department rules with the mailings.

MCL 168.931a states that “the name of an elected or appointed official of this state or a political subdivision of this state shall not appear on any ballot-related material that is provided to an elector.”

A letter to the voter receiving the unsolicited ballot application was signed by Benson and her name appeared in the letterhead.

Benson’s letter invited voters to take a cell phone photo of the application and “email it to your clerk,” which triggered anger from Benson’s own allies.

“My inbox is absolutely flooded with email messages having attachments of photographed applications,” Westland City Clerk and former Democrat state Rep. Richard LeBlanc wrote on Facebook.

“Some are sideways, some have the barcode not showing, most are legible, but all of them are taking an incredible amount of time to print and respond,” he said.

LeBlanc said emails with only an attachment and no message “are not being opened, so I’ll get criticized later for that.”

 

 

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LeansToTheRight

Anecdotal.  There is no evidence of voter fraud!

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MontyPython

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Rock N' Roll Right Winger

Cheat by mail indeed. Exactly as we and Trump have predicted. All voter fraud has been committed by democraps.

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Ticked@TinselTown

To quote Slippy McFrump, ' It's a vast, right wing conspiracy!'

:rolleyes:

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Howsithangin

Must be getting difficult even for the most obtuse of our Marxist members to keep calling all these stories of voter fraud 'outliers'

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Rock N' Roll Right Winger
Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, Howsithangin said:

Must be getting difficult even for the most obtuse of our Marxist members to keep calling all these stories of voter fraud 'outliers'

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Not at all.

When one is iust as mentally ill batcrap crazy retarded as a dumbascrap is, they can lie at will and also believe their own lies at will because they live in a world of delusion oblivious from the truth. It's quite natural for them.

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RedSoloCup
2 hours ago, Rock N' Roll Right Winger said:

Cheat by mail indeed. Exactly as we and Trump have predicted. All voter fraud has been committed by democraps.

 

1 hour ago, Howsithangin said:

Must be getting difficult even for the most obtuse of our Marxist members to keep calling all these stories of voter fraud 'outliers'

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32 minutes ago, Rock N' Roll Right Winger said:

Not at all.

When one is iust as mentally ill batcrap crazy retarded as a dumbascrap is, they can lie at will and also believe their own lies at will because they live in a world of delusion oblivious from the truth. It's quite natural for them.

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Hieronymous

7.7 million registered voters in Michigan?  2019 population shows as 9.9 million.  So the state has just over 2 million kids or less?

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Taggart Transcontinental

This is ACTUAL evidence of voter fraud. Which is why the Democrats in Michigan are now pissed that they have received it. They cannot turn a blind eye to it.

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ThePatriot
9 minutes ago, Hieronymous said:

7.7 million registered voters in Michigan?  2019 population shows as 9.9 million.  So the state has just over 2 million kids or less?

That 7.7 million includes the dead, the illegal and the underage "voters".

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Hieronymous
9 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

That 7.7 million includes the dead, the illegal and the underage "voters".

And Wayne County.  Twice.

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mliff1

I'm shocked, really......just kidding. My Grandma voted Republican until she died. 

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oki

Also, keep in mind this is simply the number of PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED/SENT THE BALLOTS BACK.

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Timothy

What about the state government mailing out vote by mail applications is voter fraud?

Fraud would be someone other than the registered voter filling out the VBM application.  If that person isn't there anymore, don't fill out or send in the application.

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ThePatriot
23 minutes ago, Timothy said:

What about the state government mailing out vote by mail applications is voter fraud?

Fraud would be someone other than the registered voter filling out the VBM application.  If that person isn't there anymore, don't fill out or send in the application.

The state mailing out unsolicited ballots is not voter fraud - it helps promote voter fraud - but it is not in and of itself, voter fraud.

However, as the article states, the governor broke the law:  MCL 168.931a states that “the name of an elected or appointed official of this state or a political subdivision of this state shall not appear on any ballot-related material that is provided to an elector.”

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MTP Reggie
1 hour ago, Timothy said:

Fraud would be someone other than the registered voter filling out the VBM application.  If that person isn't there anymore, don't fill out or send in the application.

Yeah, because everyone is that honest. It will never happen, I'm sure...

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4 hours ago, ThePatriot said:

The state mailing out unsolicited ballots is not voter fraud - it helps promote voter fraud - but it is not in and of itself, voter fraud.

 

How does it promote it?

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However, as the article states, the governor broke the law:  MCL 168.931a states that “the name of an elected or appointed official of this state or a political subdivision of this state shall not appear on any ballot-related material that is provided to an elector.”

This appears to be the case, though it wouldn't be voter fraud but a violation of campaign law.

3 hours ago, MTP Reggie said:

Yeah, because everyone is that honest. It will never happen, I'm sure...

For those that are that dishonest and determined to cheat, they can easily print out their own fraudulent vote by mail applications.  This will make zero difference.

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ThePatriot
7 minutes ago, Timothy said:

How does it promote it?

This appears to be the case, though it wouldn't be voter fraud but a violation of campaign law.

By making it much, much easier to commit voter fraud.  If the state is mailing out millions and millions of unsolicited ballots, there is nothing the cheaters have to do other than fill them out!  They don't have to try and create their own fake ones because they have LEGITIMATE ballots from the state.  If they respond as if they are the person the ballot was sent to, how is the state going to know it wasn't actually the right person?!?!

I find it hard to believe that something so simple and so obvious has to be spelled out to you or to anyone for that matter.

YOU should be against this lunacy.  Every American should be against it.

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Italian Biker

Where's the charts and graphs claiming that this still won't swing elections.  Chambered round.  

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LeansToTheRight
55 minutes ago, Timothy said:

How does it promote it?

This appears to be the case, though it wouldn't be voter fraud but a violation of campaign law.

For those that are that dishonest and determined to cheat, they can easily print out their own fraudulent vote by mail applications.  This will make zero difference.

Do you honestly not see what is wrong with sending these out to dead people, people who have moved, etc?  Do you honestly not see how this can easily be used in vote fraud?

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1 hour ago, ThePatriot said:

By making it much, much easier to commit voter fraud.  If the state is mailing out millions and millions of unsolicited ballots, there is nothing the cheaters have to do other than fill them out!  They don't have to try and create their own fake ones because they have LEGITIMATE ballots from the state.  If they respond as if they are the person the ballot was sent to, how is the state going to know it wasn't actually the right person?!?!

I find it hard to believe that something so simple and so obvious has to be spelled out to you or to anyone for that matter.

YOU should be against this lunacy.  Every American should be against it.

1) These are vote by mail ballot applications, not the ballots themselves.  It's a two-step process, you have to send in an application to vote by mail to receive a vote by mail ballot.  You can't print out the actual ballot but you CAN just print out the application to vote by mail.  Here is a link to the application that someone could print out and use: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/AbsentVoterBallot_105377_7.pdf

2) The fact that you are confused by this is a good example of how a voter might be confused and why the state is trying to make it easier by mailing out applications.

3) Vote by mail ballots do have security measures to avoid fraud like requiring signatures.  If it were up to me they would also require a fingerprint.

4) The fact that Republicans are only now making a big deal about voting by mail REEKS of naked opportunism and wanting to decrease legitimate voter turnout.  The "concerns" about election security is dishonest window dressing.

35 minutes ago, LeansToTheRight said:

Do you honestly not see what is wrong with sending these out to dead people, people who have moved, etc?  Do you honestly not see how this can easily be used in vote fraud?

We need better systems for purging people who have died, who have moved, etc. from the rolls.

If someone wants to commit fraud, this is simply doing one of the easy steps: printing out an application to vote by mail.  Which as I pointed out to ThePatriot above, can be printed from the web.

There are much harder steps to get past:

1) Having someone registered at your address that you can impersonate.

2) Filling out the actual ballot and getting past security features on the ballot such as signature confirmations.  I suspect that there are pattern recognition programs that can detect when one person sends in multiple fake signatures.

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ThePatriot
2 minutes ago, Timothy said:

1) These are vote by mail ballot applications, not the ballots themselves.  It's a two-step process, you have to send in an application to vote by mail to receive a vote by mail ballot.  You can't print out the actual ballot but you CAN just print out the application to vote by mail.  Here is a link to the application that someone could print out and use: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/AbsentVoterBallot_105377_7.pdf

2) The fact that you are confused by this is a good example of how a voter might be confused and why the state is trying to make it easier by mailing out applications.

3) Vote by mail ballots do have security measures to avoid fraud like requiring signatures.  If it were up to me they would also require a fingerprint.

4) The fact that Republicans are only now making a big deal about voting by mail REEKS of naked opportunism and wanting to decrease legitimate voter turnout.  Concerns about election security are window dressing.

We need better systems for purging people who have died, who have moved, etc. from the roles.

If someone wants to commit fraud, this is simply doing one of the easy steps: printing out an application to vote by mail.  Which as I pointed out to ThePatriot above, can be printed from the web.

There are much harder steps to get past:

1) Having someone registered at your address that you can impersonate.

2) Filling out the actual ballot and getting past security features on the ballot such as signature confirmations.  I suspect that there are pattern recognition programs that can detect when one person sends in multiple fake signatures.

Oh yes, filling out the unsolicited ballot application to get the ballot by mail, that's a real tough one to get past, eh?  Name, address, year of birth, city, county, jurisdiction. Then sign it.  That's it.  And then when the person committing fraud gets the ballot, they sign that too.  

Then the "pattern recognition software" you suspect they might have might compare the signature on the application with the signature on the ballot which will of course match.  Gosh, vote by mail fraud sounds soooooo difficult!

Anyone in favor of sending out applications to people who did not request them is clearly in favor of voter fraud.  And of course, it's Democrats who are pushing vote by mail so millions of fake votes can be cast for Dementia Joe.

It's you who is confused, Timothy.

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Timothy
9 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

Oh yes, filling out the unsolicited ballot application to get the ballot by mail, that's a real tough one to get past, eh?  Name, address, year of birth, city, county, jurisdiction. Then sign it.  That's it.  And then when the person committing fraud gets the ballot, they sign that too.  

Then the "pattern recognition software" you suspect they might have might compare the signature on the application with the signature on the ballot which will of course match.  Gosh, vote by mail fraud sounds soooooo difficult!

Anyone in favor of sending out applications to people who did not request them is clearly in favor of voter fraud.  And of course, it's Democrats who are pushing vote by mail so millions of fake votes can be cast for Dementia Joe.

It's you who is confused, Timothy.

You're right, there are tons of people who are just itching to commit voter fraud, but having to print out a PDF is the only thing preventing them from doing it.

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14 minutes ago, Timothy said:

You're right, there are tons of people who are just itching to commit voter fraud, but having to print out a PDF is the only thing preventing them from doing it.

It goes to deliberate intention, like Patriot explained. All crime is increased when steps that require deliberate (easier to catch) action are eliminated. It’s much easier to claim something was a “mistake” when it took less intention to get there. This cannot be debated, it’s a fact. The only question up for debate is HOW MUCH the eliminations help. 

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