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COVID-19 Response Deadlier than the Virus, States the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

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Anybody care to take a guess on how many people are killed each year due to medical error?...over 200,000,  makes "Covid 19"  look like a piker.

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COVID-19 Response Deadlier than the Virus, States the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

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Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)

Jun 22, 2020, 12:34 ET

TUCSON, Ariz., June 22, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The COVID-19 pandemic is having an unprecedented disruptive effect on medicine as well as the economy, writes Jane M. Orient, M.D., in the summer issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. She compares it with the response to AIDS, which at first was believed to be highly contagious and invariably fatal.

It was considered unethical to stigmatize or isolate AIDS patients, to deny them treatment, or to alter the type of treatment they could receive, Dr. Orient recalls. Their contacts were not quarantined, and testing required special informed consent. In contrast, with COVID-19 all but the most essential medical and dental treatment may be forbidden. Widespread testing is contemplated, with isolation of persons with a positive test, and of their contacts.

Recognizing that AIDS patients could not wait for the results of clinical trials, Dr. Anthony Fauci, early in his career, advocated easing the rules to permit patients to try anything they thought might work, she notes. Now, Fauci favors suppressing the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, drugs long-approved for malaria and autoimmune diseases, for this new indication, pending studies that he considers adequate.

"Suddenly, drugs used for more than 60 years…by millions of people, with rare adverse effects, are deemed too dangerous for protecting people from this sometimes deadly virus," Dr. Orient states.

It is perfectly legal to prescribe approved drugs for "off-label" uses, and about one-fifth of all prescriptions are "off label," she notes.

Lacking access to treatment, Americans are being subjected to unprecedented, draconian restrictions on their freedom. Dr. Orient observes that such measures were never contemplated for past epidemics, which were far more deadly, including the 1958 "Asian flu" and the 1968 "Hong Kong flu." There is scant evidence for the effectiveness of masks, lockdowns, and "social distancing," although there is devastating harm.

In addition to hydroxychloroquine, other promising modalities are either ignored or dismissed by organized medicine and the media. Dr. Orient mentions vitamin D, high-dose intravenous vitamin C, ivermectin, zinc and ionophores that help it enter cells, hyperbaric oxygenation, and low-dose radiation.

Dr. Orient concludes that: "The pretext of 'science' and 'evidence-based medicine' is masking authoritarianism that disregards, discredits, and attempts to cancel methods that could save thousands of lives threatened not just by COVID-19, but by many other diseases, both old and emerging."

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is published by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), a national organization representing physicians in all specialties since 1943.

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gravelrash

If Wuhan flu had not occurred, the Democrats and their media bootlickers would have invented it.

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7 minutes ago, gravelrash said:

If Wuhan flu had not occurred, the Democrats and their media bootlickers would have invented it.

I can't wait to see all the weekly  "Trump won't win cuz...." I would point out that these lie's seem to come out about once a week..Wonder why?

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Taggart Transcontinental

Most of the actual deaths from this disease are caused by democrats pushing sick people into old folks homes and having them spread that infection to those that were not exposed prior. So cut those out and the natural number of deaths are near what Florida saw,

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8 minutes ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

Most of the actual deaths from this disease are caused by democrats pushing sick people into old folks homes and having them spread that infection to those that were not exposed prior. So cut those out and the natural number of deaths are near what Florida saw,

Which is why the politicians should be held accountable for the ramifications of their actions, especially after they are seeing the death rates skyrocketing.  They had time to change their policies and lives would have been saved, but instead they were feeding on the power they had to threaten the citizenry with outrageous things like being arrested for leaving their homes.

No, the politicos who are screaming to remove police protections should be held to the same measure and their protections should be removed.  

A police officer makes split second, heat of the moment decisions because their life and other lives hang in the balance and sometimes mistakes are made because we are human beings.

Politicians sit in their offices and have meetings, cocktails and chitchat while formulating their latest policies and far more lives are impacted by those decisions. 

THAT is an entirely different matter and MORE of a threat to the safety and welfare of the citizens of every town across the country.  They ALSO have the luxury of changing their policies when they see that they are adversely affecting the people they are there to serve, but they DON'T because they love the power, plus, who likes to admit when they're wrong, especially when an election looms? 

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2 hours ago, gravelrash said:

If Wuhan flu had not occurred, the Democrats and their media bootlickers would have invented it.

I am pretty close to embracing the conspiracy that the Wuhan Flu was not only engineered but is something the global cabal has been planning on using should they need to do so. Apparently the continued success of We The People in America, and the example it has spread to other countries (like the UK Brexit), and the secrets that are now probably known but not yet released, have caused enough panic that it was decided that this Wuhan Flu be released on us all.

It is quite possible that there is indeed a conspiracy of the elite across nations, the ones who think themselves above the riff-raff, to whom the bio-weapon was available, and it was agreed that the Chinese release it, and as Tag stated it's purposely being spread among the vulnerable ones to keep us guessing and scared. I absolutely think this was not an accident, and I absolutely think the American leftist elite plus several on the right (for example McCain and Romney and Paul Ryan and the Bush family) either know about it or play a part in it. Why? Because We The People are taking away their livelihood: power and control and wealth through politics. They NEED us to be divided and the NEED chaos to stay relevant and make their shady deals.

How long will Trump live, is my main question. If our side is victorious in preventing an assassination, Trump will win in November, and we can reveal to the world that there is no racism among regular people, there are no major problems between people, problems can be sorted out, and peace is achievable. But only through strength.

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1 hour ago, Ticked@TinselTown said:

Which is why the politicians should be held accountable for the ramifications of their actions, especially after they are seeing the death rates skyrocketing.  They had time to change their policies and lives would have been saved, but instead they were feeding on the power they had to threaten the citizenry with outrageous things like being arrested for leaving their homes.

No, the politicos who are screaming to remove police protections should be held to the same measure and their protections should be removed.  

A police officer makes split second, heat of the moment decisions because their life and other lives hang in the balance and sometimes mistakes are made because we are human beings.

Politicians sit in their offices and have meetings, cocktails and chitchat while formulating their latest policies and far more lives are impacted by those decisions. 

THAT is an entirely different matter and MORE of a threat to the safety and welfare of the citizens of every town across the country.  They ALSO have the luxury of changing their policies when they see that they are adversely affecting the people they are there to serve, but they DON'T because they love the power, plus, who likes to admit when they're wrong, especially when an election looms? 

I would say at least in Quomo's case he had intent. The order includes no right to refuse, and no testing allowed. We knew they were the most vulnerable, and yet he ordered patients into these places. That indicates intent.

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2 minutes ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

I would say at least in Quomo's case he had intent. The order includes no right to refuse, and no testing allowed. We knew they were the most vulnerable, and yet he ordered patients into these places. That indicates intent.

And yet he kept touting wanting to protect the elderly, like his mother...  F*cking bastard.

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Taggart Transcontinental
21 minutes ago, zurg said:

I am pretty close to embracing the conspiracy that the Wuhan Flu was not only engineered but is something the global cabal has been planning on using should they need to do so. Apparently the continued success of We The People in America, and the example it has spread to other countries (like the UK Brexit), and the secrets that are now probably known but not yet released, have caused enough panic that it was decided that this Wuhan Flu be released on us all.

It is quite possible that there is indeed a conspiracy of the elite across nations, the ones who think themselves above the riff-raff, to whom the bio-weapon was available, and it was agreed that the Chinese release it, and as Tag stated it's purposely being spread among the vulnerable ones to keep us guessing and scared. I absolutely think this was not an accident, and I absolutely think the American leftist elite plus several on the right (for example McCain and Romney and Paul Ryan and the Bush family) either know about it or play a part in it. Why? Because We The People are taking away their livelihood: power and control and wealth through politics. They NEED us to be divided and the NEED chaos to stay relevant and make their shady deals.

How long will Trump live, is my main question. If our side is victorious in preventing an assassination, Trump will win in November, and we can reveal to the world that there is no racism among regular people, there are no major problems between people, problems can be sorted out, and peace is achievable. But only through strength.

did you know that we and the UK (known so far) paid 3-4 Million to the Wuhan lab? This has been in development for at least 10 years. Counting SARS MERS swine and bird flu even longer. The evidence is out there in the lancets.

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Just now, Taggart Transcontinental said:

did you know that we and the UK (known so far) paid 3-4 Million to the Wuhan lab? This has been in development for at least 10 years. Counting SARS MERS swine and bird flu even longer. The evidence is out there in the lancets.

I did not know that but it doesn't surprise me one bit. There are cases such as that on Charles Lieber from Harvard (and his Wuhan lab connections) and his Chinese students, one of whom was caught trying to board a flight for China with mysterious vials.

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6 minutes ago, zurg said:

I did not know that but it doesn't surprise me one bit. There are cases such as that on Charles Lieber from Harvard (and his Wuhan lab connections) and his Chinese students, one of whom was caught trying to board a flight for China with mysterious vials.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/27/anthony-fauci-should-explain-37-million-wuhan-labo/

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ThePatriot

There were those of us who said right from the beginning that the measures that were being taken were doing far more harm than the virus ever could.

If only people would use the common sense God gave them, we would never have been in this mess in the first place! :redhot:

 

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gravelrash

PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump has demonstrated time and again that he believes in Federalism. Remove regulations. Let states govern themselves. The lockdowns have been part of the plan for "soft" martial rule should the Left lose power. 0bama was an unapologetic but lazy racist tyrant. The Democrats wanted him to bring everything from doctor visits, local police, and Kindergarten under the umbrella of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He tried by taking over the census. Our nation was getting along and having a good time under Trump and record employment by every measure until dickheads put their knee to our necks.

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kestrel
4 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

:yeahthat:Seems like I remember that the good Dr Fao-Chi was involved in the aftermath of an accident at the University of North Carolina (I think) anyway there was some kind of virus studies going on there and there was an accident seems like somebody died and the lab w/all equipment was moved to Wuhan with a healthy grant of 3-4 mil by the organization headed by Dr Fao-Chi ( NIAID) 

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2 hours ago, ThePatriot said:

There were those of us who said right from the beginning that the measures that were being taken were doing far more harm than the virus ever could.

If only people would use the common sense God gave them, we would never have been in this mess in the first place! :redhot:

 

 

2 hours ago, ThePatriot said:

There were those of us who said right from the beginning that the measures that were being taken were doing far more harm than the virus ever could.

If only people would use the common sense God gave them, we would never have been in this mess in the first place! :redhot:

 

Yes there where, there where also people throwing around numbers and fighting  the good fight only to concede. There are people posting in the very tread, acting like they didn't what the lock downs, now that the truth is front and center.

It boogles my mind, and why I rarely read here any more.

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Howsithangin

No Marxist contributions yet.  Hmmm, wonder why?  :scratch:

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9 hours ago, Howsithangin said:

No Marxist contributions yet.  Hmmm, wonder why?  :scratch:

Because the marxists want this thread to die. There is no upside for them arguing about this. It was their plan and now they are caught in the open.

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