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Liberals can’t deny the complications of counting mail-in ballots:

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New York Post

Michael Goodwin

August 1, 2020 | 10:35pm

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A fundamental and tragic fact of life in America today is that whatever President Trump is for, most media and half the country instantly reject. Even when he’s clearly right, the zombie-like resistance leaps into frenetic opposition.

Take the case of universal mail-in voting.

Trump insists that the plans of some states, such as California and Colorado, to counter the pandemic by mailing a ballot to every registered voter is a formula for disaster. It will, the president says, guarantee mayhem and cast doubts on the November results.

Nonsense, shout the usual suspects. That’s unfounded, he’s making it up, there’s no evidence, blah blah blah.

Ah, but there is evidence. Lots of it, and right in front of us, thanks to the continuing saga of two New York congressional races. Five weeks after the Democratic primaries, no winners have been declared. Results for two others were delayed for three weeks.

The major problem was the volume of mailed-in ballots — more than 400,000 across the city, against the 23,000 received and validated four years ago, The Washington Post reports. The Board of Elections, creaky, sloppy and unreliable on the best of days, is swamped.

In the race involving Democratic incumbent Carolyn Maloney and challenger Suraj Patel, in-person voting gave Maloney an edge of under 700 votes. But some 65,000 voters returned the absentee ballots they requested, and mailed ballots trigger additional safeguards and requirements.

Among those are proof the ballots were mailed by Election Day and received within seven days of the election. In the Maloney-Patel race, at least 12,000 mailed ballots have been invalidated, many because they were received too late and others because they had no postmark to prove when they were mailed.

State officials, who included pre-stamped return envelopes when they sent the ballots, apparently didn’t know that such envelopes often don’t get postmarked. Thus, there is no way to know if those ballots were marked and mailed by Election Day.

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Howsithangin

Oh sure, they can!  Have faith.   :P

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Currahee!

This and ballot harvesting are the only ways the democrats can win....by CHEATING.  They certainly can’t do it based on their party platform.....OMG.....what a recipe for economic and social disaster......and yet at least 30% (or more) of voters will cast their ballots for the Democrat/Socialist Party in a lemmings-running-to-the-sea sorta way.....just because they hate the Bad Orange Man.....IF you were to as them to explain their hate(I have tried)......they really can’t come up with any cold/hard examples.....it’s just “blah-blah-blah...Rage-Rage-Rage...Blah-Blah-Blah”

Well...wasn’t it Confucius, who warned those in the future when he said, “May you be born in interesting times”..... or was that in the fortune cookie I got last weekend at the Shanghai Sunrise cafe?

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Rock N' Roll Right Winger

They can't deny them.

They ignore them.

On purpose.

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Taggart Transcontinental

Here is how this election will work. They will get mail in ballots, Ground hog Joe will not debate once, they will on election night show exit polling and claim a victory for Ground hog Joe, who will then come out and give a rambling speech for 3 minutes accepting the election results, and then sometime in July the real results will be posted quietly.

That's the intent, it's another slow rolling coup.

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Martin

I disagree.  Liberals can deny anything.  

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Weaseljd

So a system that was used before electricity, the telegraph, railroads, or even paved roads outside of major urban centers even existed in the US suddenly is no longer any good, and people (or someone "acting" on their behalf) need to have ballots mailed to them so they can exercise their "rights" in voting because they are incapable of requesting an absentee ballot if they are afraid to vote in person due to COVID (despite the fact I am betting they all stand in line to buy groceries each week) or to appear in person for a few minutes at a polling station?  This makes no sense - and the ONLY reason can be because they know a. if you make voting that easy, the lazy and uninformed will mail in a ballot just like they vote in american idol (whcih Dems know will help them), and/or b.  they can send someone door to door to "collect" these ballots.  And why are mail in ballots not also racist and discriminatory against the poor?  I mean if a poor person cannot afford the $7 to obtain an ID, how can they afford the 50 cents for a stamp?

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ThePatriot

"One clear result: lawsuits. So judges will have the final say about which votes are counted. Already an estimated 28 percent of the votes from the Brooklyn portion of the district have been tossed out.

That’s smoking-gun evidence of chaos and grounds to doubt the accuracy of the final outcome. Now imagine the enormous opportunity for mischief and mistakes if every state opts for universal mail-in and 160 million ballots are mailed to registered voters and back to election offices in the fall.

Nothing like it has ever been attempted, so to assume it would go smoothly is beyond foolish. Indeed, it would be a miracle if it weren’t a disaster.

And not just for the presidential election. Congressional, state and local races all could be upended by ballot issues and disputes. By comparison, fights over hanging chads in one state would seem like a walk in the park."

 

I'm predicting a leftist free thread.  Not a single one of them has the guts to respond to this issue honestly.

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Ladybird
6 minutes ago, Weaseljd said:

So a system that was used before electricity, the telegraph, railroads, or even paved roads outside of major urban centers even existed in the US suddenly is no longer any good, and people (or someone "acting" on their behalf) need to have ballots mailed to them so they can exercise their "rights" in voting because they are incapable of requesting an absentee ballot if they are afraid to vote in person due to COVID (despite the fact I am betting they all stand in line to buy groceries each week) or to appear in person for a few minutes at a polling station?  This makes no sense - and the ONLY reason can be because they know a. if you make voting that easy, the lazy and uninformed will mail in a ballot just like they vote in american idol (whcih Dems know will help them), and/or b.  they can send someone door to door to "collect" these ballots.  And why are mail in ballots not also racist and discriminatory against the poor?  I mean if a poor person cannot afford the $7 to obtain an ID, how can they afford the 50 cents for a stamp?

I'm wary of a 100 million mail-in voters too. I think if we all had ten days to vote, and the polling stations were well staffed to deal with the COVID restrictions/sanitizing and technical support (broken machines), we could pull this off without everyone needing a mail-in ballot.  Either way an increase in staff will be necessary, at the post office or polling stations. No one should have to wait on line for 3 hours just to cast a vote.

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oki
32 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

I'm wary of a 100 million mail-in voters too. I think if we all had ten days to vote, and the polling stations were well staffed to deal with the COVID restrictions/sanitizing and technical support (broken machines), we could pull this off without everyone needing a mail-in ballot.  Either way an increase in staff will be necessary, at the post office or polling stations. No one should have to wait on line for 3 hours just to cast a vote.

 

   Dear God almighty I am scared!  I think we agree or nearly agree on something political.  I better go look outside and make sure the sun is up, Zombies aren't walking around, or Cats and Dogs aren't walking side by side....  :razz:

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Specs
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

I'm wary of a 100 million mail-in voters too. I think if we all had ten days to vote, and the polling stations were well staffed to deal with the COVID restrictions/sanitizing and technical support (broken machines), we could pull this off without everyone needing a mail-in ballot.  Either way an increase in staff will be necessary, at the post office or polling stations. No one should have to wait on line for 3 hours just to cast a vote.

You could take hand sanitizer with you if you are afraid of a virus that has less than .05% chance of killing you...

Waiting in line that long only happens in districts controlled by democRATs as they try to weed out conservatives

 

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Ladybird
1 minute ago, Specs said:

You could take hand sanitizer with you if you are afraid of a virus that has less than .05% chance of killing you...

Waiting in line that long only happens in districts controlled by democRATs as they try to weed out conservatives

 

Whether that is true or not (only Democratic districts) doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't happen.

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oki
41 minutes ago, Specs said:

You could take hand sanitizer with you if you are afraid of a virus that has less than .05% chance of killing you...

Waiting in line that long only happens in districts controlled by democRATs as they try to weed out conservatives

 

Well, kinda'.    Green Bay is by and large in the middle Conservative leaning, last election the very long wait times happened.  But, that was because there was a grand total of two polling stations open.  But, this stems from our knucklehead Leftist Dem Gov not having the God given sense to think that even before calling a state wide emergency he should have also called an emergency session of the Legislature to deal with and address the upcoming election that was only weeks away(at that time). 

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Weaseljd
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

I'm wary of a 100 million mail-in voters too. I think if we all had ten days to vote, and the polling stations were well staffed to deal with the COVID restrictions/sanitizing and technical support (broken machines), we could pull this off without everyone needing a mail-in ballot.  Either way an increase in staff will be necessary, at the post office or polling stations. No one should have to wait on line for 3 hours just to cast a vote.

I am not so sure the lines will be as bad in the past.  Lines got real long in mornings and evenings due to people working.  I suspect with so many out of work or working from home, people can go throughout the day now and not at the normal peak times and the lines wont be as bad in the past.  But yes, something should be done and plans made now to make sure those that want to vote can show up and vote in a safe manner while making sure there is not fraud or the potential for fraud which just mailing out ballots will encourage.  So we generally agree here (looks outside to see if world is ending real fast).

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ThePatriot
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

I'm wary of a 100 million mail-in voters too. I think if we all had ten days to vote, and the polling stations were well staffed to deal with the COVID restrictions/sanitizing and technical support (broken machines), we could pull this off without everyone needing a mail-in ballot.  Either way an increase in staff will be necessary, at the post office or polling stations. No one should have to wait on line for 3 hours just to cast a vote.

Waiting in line for 3 hours is preferable to 28% of ballots getting tossed out due to mistakes by voters and mistakes by gov't workers, and preferable to massive voter fraud.

If people can wait hours and hours in line at Disney Land to go on a roller coaster, if they can wait for hours at the DMV, if they can wait for hours at their doctor's office or at the hospital, they can give up an afternoon to vote if necessary.

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Ladybird
7 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

Waiting in line for 3 hours is preferable to 28% of ballots getting tossed out due to mistakes by voters and mistakes by gov't workers, and preferable to massive voter fraud.

If people can wait hours and hours in line at Disney Land to go on a roller coaster, if they can wait for hours at the DMV, if they can wait for hours at their doctor's office or at the hospital, they can give up an afternoon to vote if necessary.

Disneyland?  So only young strong, healthy people should vote..  God forbid we should make it easier for the working poor or those with less than perfect health to cast a ballot.  Do you have any objection to polling stations being made available over a ten day period (which I also mentioned)?. 

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rustinone
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15 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Disneyland?  So only young strong, healthy people should vote..  God forbid we should make it easier for the working poor or those with less than perfect health to cast a ballot.  Do you have any objection to polling stations being made available over a ten day period (which I also mentioned)?. 

So you're  saying only young strong, healthy people go to Disneyland?

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ThePatriot
5 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Disneyland?  So only young strong, healthy people should vote..  God forbid we should make it easier for the working poor or those with less than perfect health to cast a ballot.  Do you have any objection to polling stations being made available over a ten day period (which I also mentioned)?. 

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?  Is it only "young, strong, healthy people" at the DMV, at doctor's offices, at the hospital or anywhere else where people are required to wait?  You don't think grandparents go to Disneyland with their grand children?

This constant refrain from the left about making it "easier for poor people" is complete and utter BS.  Have they never waited at their local Welfare office?  Have they never attended their child's sporting event, or school play?  Do you think everyone here is rich?  Do you assume no one here is poor or has never been poor?  I was on food stamps for a time, so don't think you can preach to me about being poor - I've been there.

And 10 days is way too long - maybe 2 to 3 days, and I'm not sure I would even go for that - the opportunity for ballot stuffing and other kinds of fraud is just too high.

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Ladybird
25 minutes ago, rustinone said:

So you're  saying only young strong, healthy people go to Disneyland?

Standing in lines for hours to get on a roller coaster?  I don't see many older folks doing that. Do you? 

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Ladybird
29 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?  Is it only "young, strong, healthy people" at the DMV, at doctor's offices, at the hospital or anywhere else where people are required to wait?  You don't think grandparents go to Disneyland with their grand children?

This constant refrain from the left about making it "easier for poor people" is complete and utter BS.  Have they never waited at their local Welfare office?  Have they never attended their child's sporting event, or school play?  Do you think everyone here is rich?  Do you assume no one here is poor or has never been poor?  I was on food stamps for a time, so don't think you can preach to me about being poor - I've been there.

And 10 days is way too long - maybe 2 to 3 days, and I'm not sure I would even go for that - the opportunity for ballot stuffing and other kinds of fraud is just too high.

A doctors office has chairs, just fyi..

This year we have a unique health situation which calls for flexibility.  It will take more time to ensure that that polling stations are sanitized for each participant. That takes time.

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rustinone
22 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Standing in lines for hours to get on a roller coaster?  I don't see many older folks doing that. Do you? 

Granted it's been awhile since I've been to Disneyland,

but, yes I have seen many elderly and handicapped/disabled people there.

 

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rustinone
33 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

A doctors office has chairs, just fyi..

This year we have a unique health situation which calls for flexibility.  It will take more time to ensure that that polling stations are sanitized for each participant. That takes time.

I believe it would be more efficient  and probably cheaper to hand out rubber gloves.

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ThePatriot
33 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

A doctors office has chairs, just fyi..

This year we have a unique health situation which calls for flexibility.  It will take more time to ensure that that polling stations are sanitized for each participant. That takes time.

No, we don't.  We get hit with new viruses all the time.  This one is no different and not any more deadly than the last.

Your argument, such as it is, is weak.  No doubt masks will be required though they do nothing for the most part but make the uneducated feel "safer".  If it makes people feel better, they can provide gloves.  They're cheap and readily available.  "Sanitation" issue resolved and no additional time required.

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MontyPython
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

Standing in lines for hours to get on a roller coaster?  I don't see many older folks doing that. Do you? 

Nope, I've never seen that. Y'know why? Because I'm WAY too poor to go to Disneyland or any other amusement park. And guess what? Being dirt-poor my entire adult life has NEVER . . . NEVER . . . made it "difficult" to get proper ID and cast my vote. Never. Not once. All this ballyhoo about "needing" to make voting "accessible" to poor people/minorities/whatever and/or that requiring proper ID to vote somehow "disenfranchises" minorities is pure horsesh*t.

Utter nonsense by Democrats who are bound and determined to enable as much voter fraud as possible.

<_< 

 

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oki
2 hours ago, ThePatriot said:

Waiting in line for 3 hours is preferable to 28% of ballots getting tossed out due to mistakes by voters and mistakes by gov't workers, and preferable to massive voter fraud.

If people can wait hours and hours in line at Disney Land to go on a roller coaster, if they can wait for hours at the DMV, if they can wait for hours at their doctor's office or at the hospital, they can give up an afternoon to vote if necessary.

Or for the latest freaken' IPHONE.

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