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Dean Adam Smithee

Why I'm reverting to using the word "colored". Again.

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Dean Adam Smithee

Growing up in Ohio and later Indiana of the '60s and '70s, N----- was the bad word and 'Colored' was the polite word. Call someone an N-word to their face and, YES, "fightin' words". Call someone "colored" and it was just, well, an obvious recognition of reality. Can't think of anyone who ever took offense. Heck, even the NAACP's official title is Nat'l Association for the Advancement of COLORED People.

Inner-city East Toledo, mid '60s. Lived in a section called "HunkyTown", Hunky being a derogatory term for Hungarians and by extension anyone "not from around here". LOL.  We were Moravian-German, what would now be Czech. Playmates on the street were other "hunkies" and colored kids.

I trust that y'all know of "Tony Packo's" mostly via M*A*SH. I grew up within walking distance. (Though to be honest the BETTER Hungarian restaurant was "Budapest" in west Toledo near the art museum,  run by two sisters but I think both have since passed away. RIP)

All that ended on April 4th 1968. Feel free to look up the date. Playing with other kids on the street (WHO CARES about color? I was 8-YO-ish at the time. There was even "Hymie Joe", the Jewish kid from down the block. WHO CARES?  They were "Neighbors")

Anyway, ever since, whatever came after "colored" seems to have made race relations worse rather than better.  More divisive.

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Shaky McSelfie

Good luck with that.  Especially being in Atlanta.  ;)

I don't use "African American.  Can't stand the hyphenated American nonsense.  I use "black."   

"Whats Happinin Black, brother, blood even" ~ Parliament's Chocolate City

When I was a kid, I grew up in the black  community.  Even then I never used the term "colored."  However,  was able to get away with using the "N" when not used in a derogatory manner.  Was even called it myself.  But I have grown to see how bad of a word it really is and will not use it.

 

I get your sentiment, but this topic is way over blown.  

 

 

 

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Tikk

Yea.  Good luck with that. 

Think about the perpetually aggrieved whose primary purpose, above all others, is to find something to be outraged over.

People screaming in your face that you're evil, racist, and think that bricking you would be a good start; are generally not people you can reason with.

 

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kestrel
3 hours ago, Dean Adam Smithee said:

Growing up in Ohio and later Indiana of the '60s and '70s, N----- was the bad word and 'Colored' was the polite word. Call someone an N-word to their face and, YES, "fightin' words". Call someone "colored" and it was just, well, an obvious recognition of reality. Can't think of anyone who ever took offense. Heck, even the NAACP's official title is Nat'l Association for the Advancement of COLORED People.

Inner-city East Toledo, mid '60s. Lived in a section called "HunkyTown", Hunky being a derogatory term for Hungarians and by extension anyone "not from around here". LOL.  We were Moravian-German, what would now be Czech. Playmates on the street were other "hunkies" and colored kids.

I trust that y'all know of "Tony Packo's" mostly via M*A*SH. I grew up within walking distance. (Though to be honest the BETTER Hungarian restaurant was "Budapest" in west Toledo near the art museum,  run by two sisters but I think both have since passed away. RIP)

All that ended on April 4th 1968. Feel free to look up the date. Playing with other kids on the street (WHO CARES about color? I was 8-YO-ish at the time. There was even "Hymie Joe", the Jewish kid from down the block. WHO CARES?  They were "Neighbors")

Anyway, ever since, whatever came after "colored" seems to have made race relations worse rather than better.  More divisive.

Is this "Hunky Virtue Signalling?"..You need practice or you're never gonna get that highly sought after punch mark on your Race Card..You get what I'm saying My Hunky?

Kestrel X...

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Hieronymous

The term African American is really only correct when used by someone who was born there and emigrated here.  You know, like some white guy who was born in Rhodesia, had his land stolen and decided to move to the US.  That's an African American. 

People who call themselves African American but who have never set foot on the continent are every bit as annoying as those who spend their entire lives in places like Boston and consider themselves Irish.  

Dumb.

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zurg

If the context is that someone asks me what race or color a person is, I’ll say “black” and “white” and “Asian” and “middle eastern” and “Indian”, or if I know their geographic origin and it’s fits, I can use that.

But that’s only if race/ethnicity is part of the conversation. Otherwise I try to not mention racial origin at all, because it shouldn’t be the important thing. 

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Oathtaker
1 hour ago, zurg said:

If the context is that someone asks me what race or color a person is, I’ll say “black” and “white” and “Asian” and “middle eastern” and “Indian”, or if I know their geographic origin and it’s fits, I can use that.

But that’s only if race/ethnicity is part of the conversation. Otherwise I try to not mention racial origin at all, because it shouldn’t be the important thing. 

Indian?

You referring to “7-11” Indians or “Casino” Indians?

Trying to keep my lingo in order... 

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zurg
37 minutes ago, Oathtaker said:

Indian?

You referring to “7-11” Indians or “Casino” Indians?

Trying to keep my lingo in order... 

Well, I was really thinking of those Bombay and New Delhi types, so Biden’s 7-11 it is. 

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JerryL
6 hours ago, Hieronymous said:

The term African American is really only correct when used by someone who was born there and emigrated here.  You know, like some white guy who was born in Rhodesia, had his land stolen and decided to move to the US.  That's an African American. 

People who call themselves African American but who have never set foot on the continent are every bit as annoying as those who spend their entire lives in places like Boston and consider themselves Irish.  

Dumb.

And those of Italian ancestry who act like they just got off the boat from the motherland with Don Corleone.

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JerryL
3 hours ago, zurg said:

If the context is that someone asks me what race or color a person is, I’ll say “black” and “white” and “Asian” and “middle eastern” and “Indian”, or if I know their geographic origin and it’s fits, I can use that.

But that’s only if race/ethnicity is part of the conversation. Otherwise I try to not mention racial origin at all, because it shouldn’t be the important thing. 

I went to a primarily Asian church when I was working in DC.  It was there that I found out...less than 5 years ago...that Asians get offended by the word "Oriental."  I never really understood why, but they do.

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4 hours ago, JerryL said:

I went to a primarily Asian church when I was working in DC.  It was there that I found out...less than 5 years ago...that Asians get offended by the word "Oriental."  I never really understood why, but they do.

It's because it lumps all folks from that region as the same. Japanese and Koreans and Chinese really REALLY don't like to be lumped in with each other.

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1 hour ago, USNJIMRET said:

It's because it lumps all folks from that region as the same. Japanese and Koreans and Chinese really REALLY don't like to be lumped in with each other.

Asian doesn't? 

It's a wonder that "African" isn't viewed the same way.

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zurg
2 hours ago, JerryL said:

Asian doesn't? 

It's a wonder that "African" isn't viewed the same way.

I don’t think all “Asians” necessarily agree with the reason why it’s a somewhat offensive term (and some think it’s really offensive and others think it’s mildly offensive and yet some others think it’s just old), the explanation I’ve been told is that “oriental” has been used about objects sold in trade between Asia and the “West” generally, and that the term conjures up stereotypes from Asia. “Asian” on the other hand is factually generic like “African” or “European”. 

(It's certainly also true that they hate people calling them “Chinese” when it could be many other things like Japanese or Korean or Taiwanese, but I think that’s yet separate from the “Oriental” term.)!

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kestrel
7 hours ago, JerryL said:

Asian doesn't? 

It's a wonder that "African" isn't viewed the same way.

Well I think the reason for that might be is that Nobody wants to give money to the "New Compton Gangsta Panthers M/Fers" as in most of these things that are marketed to and payed for by rich white liberals it has to be "palatable" to say nothing of being "Stark!..and Courageous" to ensure sufficient "Street Cred" fuel to light up their virtue signalling light houses. (BLmM)

Kestrel...

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kestrel
13 hours ago, zurg said:

I don’t think all “Asians” necessarily agree with the reason why it’s a somewhat offensive term (and some think it’s really offensive and others think it’s mildly offensive and yet some others think it’s just old), the explanation I’ve been told is that “oriental” has been used about objects sold in trade between Asia and the “West” generally, and that the term conjures up stereotypes from Asia. “Asian” on the other hand is factually generic like “African” or “European”. 

(It's certainly also true that they hate people calling them “Chinese” when it could be many other things like Japanese or Korean or Taiwanese, but I think that’s yet separate from the “Oriental” term.)!

Gee I sure wish White People had something to get Offended about!..I feel kinda left out!

Kestrel...

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zurg
45 minutes ago, kestrel said:

Gee I sure with White People had something to get Offended about!..I feel kinda left out!

Kestrel...

You and me both. 

And it’ll be MY choice what offends me, nobody who ain’t white can tell me nuthin! 

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kestrel
7 minutes ago, zurg said:

You and me both. 

And it’ll be MY choice what offends me, nobody who ain’t white can tell me nuthin! 

Preach it Dawg!

Kestrel X...

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JerryL
10 hours ago, zurg said:

I don’t think all “Asians” necessarily agree with the reason why it’s a somewhat offensive term (and some think it’s really offensive and others think it’s mildly offensive and yet some others think it’s just old), the explanation I’ve been told is that “oriental” has been used about objects sold in trade between Asia and the “West” generally, and that the term conjures up stereotypes from Asia. “Asian” on the other hand is factually generic like “African” or “European”. 

(It's certainly also true that they hate people calling them “Chinese” when it could be many other things like Japanese or Korean or Taiwanese, but I think that’s yet separate from the “Oriental” term.)!

Fair enough.  No skin off my back.  Happy with Asian, anyway.  Just never understood (and really still don't) the aversion to Oriental.

I fully get the last part.  Look at the histories of Japan, Korea and China and you will find lot's of reasons for racial animosity between the big three.

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JerryL
6 hours ago, kestrel said:

Well I think the reason for that might be is that Nobody wants to give money to the "New Compton Gangsta Panthers M/Fers" as in most of these things that are marketed to and payed for by rich white liberals it has to be "palatable" to say nothing of being "Stark!..and Courageous" to ensure sufficient "Street Cred" fuel to light up their virtue signalling light houses. (BLmM)

Kestrel...

There is also the simple fact that due to the nature of slavery, blacks descended from slaves aren't very likely to know whether they are Ghanaian or Beninois or Burkinabe.  Most people in the US whose families have been there more than 100 years are a racial and ethnic mix, anyway.

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zurg
1 hour ago, JerryL said:

Fair enough.  No skin off my back.  Happy with Asian, anyway.  Just never understood (and really still don't) the aversion to Oriental.

I fully get the last part.  Look at the histories of Japan, Korea and China and you will find lot's of reasons for racial animosity between the big three.

I don't think the word Oriental is that big a deal with every Asian. My wife is of Taiwanese origin (American born though in MA). My MIL will call things and people "Oriental" sometimes... she doesn't seem bothered by the word (and no, it's not a word she's reserving for "only Asians can use it", she's no snowflake). It's entirely possible that it's fashionable among some Asian circles to be offended. I prefer Asian in any case. I'll say "oriental vase" but "Asian hottie" :lol:.

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JerryL
14 minutes ago, zurg said:

I don't think the word Oriental is that big a deal with every Asian. My wife is of Taiwanese origin (American born though in MA). My MIL will call things and people "Oriental" sometimes... she doesn't seem bothered by the word (and no, it's not a word she's reserving for "only Asians can use it", she's no snowflake). It's entirely possible that it's fashionable among some Asian circles to be offended. I prefer Asian in any case. I'll say "oriental vase" but "Asian hottie" :lol:.

The ones I knew who took offense to it were primarily of Korean descent.  

My wife is Gabonese and she gets irritated when Americans talk about "Africa" as if it is a country.  ;) 

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grimreefer

So is Celestial out? :smoker:

 

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4 minutes ago, JerryL said:

The ones I knew who took offense to it were primarily of Korean descent.  

My wife is Gabonese and she gets irritated when Americans talk about "Africa" as if it is a country.  ;) 

Oh, I bet she does, and rightly so!

My Taiwanese side of the family explains the Asian types like this (no bias, obviously!): the Koreans are the hotheads who think they're smarter than anyone else, the Japanese the quiet judgmental ones who think they're smarter than anyone else, the Chinese the loud obnoxious ones who claim they're smarter than anyone else, and the Taiwanese modest ones who know they're the smartest ones. :lol:

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