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Analysis: Democrats Are Complicit in the Murder of Our Police Officers

 

 

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 Jonathan Davis

Posted September 16, 2020

 

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It took Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris of California, all summer to condemn the rioting and violence in our streets. And in fact, when the two finally did speak up, oftentimes they only offered vanilla, lukewarm rebukes because neither of them is about to disparage the hard-Left voters they are trying to inspire to turn out for them.

That said, it also took both of them quite some time to speak out against violence being inflicted against American police, as officers all over the country have struggled to contain riots, looting, and other forms of mass unrest. 

In fact, Harris still supports the ridiculous ‘defund the police’ movement, as well as bans on semi-automatic rifles of the kind that are needed now more than ever by Americans who may soon be forced to defend themselves against angry Left-wing insurrectionists.

These two Democrats are not alone. The entire party has become anti-police, and not just a little: Most of them do indeed support ‘defund’ efforts, and by their comments, they have also dog-whistled to their supporters that it’s really okay to target police and single them out for harm.

So vehement and strident has the Democrats’ opposition to police been, you could make the strong case that Democrats are at least partially responsible for attacks on cops. 

Dave Marcus, writing at The Federalist, notes:

It took Joe Biden three months to stand up to the insane left-wing of the Democratic Party and condemn the riots and looting that swept over America in this our summer of discontent. Even then, it was not so much a principled and courageous act but rather a political calculation. It turns out his progressive advisors were selling him a bill of goods when they told him average Americans were against America and its police, but some people were paying attention to Biden’s tacit approval of violence, and now our law enforcement officers are paying the price, some with their lives.

According to Rep. Chip Roy (R- Texas), 43 law enforcement officers have been killed thus far in 2020 — a 43 percent increase over last year. In some cases, like the horrific shooting in Los Angeles, the incidents are little short of assassination attempts.

 

 

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AntonToo

Nice fantasy, but Biden has consistently spoke out against violence and arson.

Biden on May 31st:   “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f

It's amazing that people even post this knowing full well how easy it is to fact check their bs.

 

 

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NH Populist
6 hours ago, pepperonikkid said:

 

It took Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris of California, all summer to condemn the rioting and violence in our streets. And in fact, when the two finally did speak up, oftentimes they only offered vanilla, lukewarm rebukes because neither of them is about to disparage the hard-Left voters they are trying to inspire to turn out for them.

Yeah, that's where the future for the Democrat party is, so far left they see defunding the police, open borders, providing healthcare for fence jumpers and instituting a get out of jail, no bail policy for criminals as a winning strategy.   And it probably is if you exclude working Americans... :nuts:

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RedSoloCup

Yes they most certainly are.

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RedSoloCup
5 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Nice fantasy, but Biden has consistently spoke out against violence and arson.

Biden on May 31st:   “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f

It's amazing that people even post this knowing full well how easy it is to fact check their bs.

 

 

:biglaugh:

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

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RedSoloCup
6 hours ago, Rock N' Roll Right Winger said:

Yep.

This stigma belongs entirely to democraps.

They own it.

:exactly:

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Taggart Transcontinental
6 hours ago, AntonToo said:

Nice fantasy, but Biden has consistently spoke out against violence and arson.

Biden on May 31st:   “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f

It's amazing that people even post this knowing full well how easy it is to fact check their bs.

 

 

That's not the same thing as condemning the murder of police. You do realize they are two different things. Burning down black businesses is much different from gunning down cops. Oh and if Trump hadn't said something from day 1 you would be here claiming he didn't condemn them either.

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satellite66

Complicit no, responsible for YES!!!  

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Ladybird
9 hours ago, zurg said:

You’re making the author’s point. Biden has said very lukewarm vanilla things and has said the very rarely.

Law and order and supporting the police is a constant, daily topic for Trump. There is no way to claim that Biden is at the same level. Not even close. 

It’s outrageous and ridiculous that these leftist spin artists, whom Anton is trying to copy (very poorly by the way) are trying to make it seem like the Biden-Harris ticket is just fine with the police. They’re not, and the voters know it. 

Let’s see if white soccer moms will vote for the rioters and their supporters or for the side that will work to keep their kids safe in soccer practice. 

True enough. The message that the police are always right and that they should use even more force when arresting suspects only comes from one side.

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AntonToo
4 hours ago, Taggart Transcontinental said:

That's not the same thing as condemning the murder of police. 

Are you consiously or unconsiously moving the goalposts?

Aside form that, there has not been murdering of police untill this recent incident and it was immediately condemned by Biden campaign and prominent civil rights activists.

12 hours ago, pepperonikkid said:

It took Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris of California, all summer to condemn the rioting and violence in our streets.

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RedSoloCup
14 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Are you consiously or unconsiously moving the goalposts?

Aside form that, there has not been murdering of police untill this recent incident and it was immediately condemned by Biden campaign and prominent civil rights activists.

:biglaugh:

Project much?

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Natural Selection
45 minutes ago, AntonToo said:

Aside form that, there has not been murdering of police untill this recent incident and it was immediately condemned by Biden campaign and prominent civil rights activists.

The only reason more police haven't been killed is because you democrats are too dumb to do anything correctly. It's not for lack of trying...

Rantz: Rioters tried to burn Seattle police alive, sealed door during fire at East Precinct

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In that same time, police officers have killed hundreds of Americans.

Some of which are justified, but many of which aren't.  The fact that on a per capita basis, American police kill orders of magnitude more people than police in other countries shows that we have a major problem and the overwhelming majority of those killings don't need to happen.

Neither rioting, nor killings of police, nor the police regularly killing people unjustly, are OK.  But the scale of unjust police violence against citizens vastly dwarfs the first two.  The fact that the overwhelming majority of conservatives seem content to downplay and/or ignore the massive abuses of government power by the police and the criminal justice system is very telling.  It suggests that for many all of the rhetoric on other issues about freedom and limited government isn't consistent or principled, but primarily a self centered desire for "liberty" for themselves only.  If other people's rights are infringed on, they don't care.

So yeah you want to try to hold the left responsible for police deaths?  You need to take a long hard look in the mirror about your responsibility for the incredible harm done by police violence.

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kestrel
1 hour ago, Natural Selection said:

The only reason more police haven't been killed is because you democrats are too dumb to do anything correctly. It's not for lack of trying...

Rantz: Rioters tried to burn Seattle police alive, sealed door during fire at East Precinct

The Boy can almost taste the Red Bull and a delicious hot pocket..he needs about a hundred more responses...and then its back to the basement and the XBOX..A life worth living!

Kestrel...

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zurg
2 hours ago, Ladybird said:

True enough. The message that the police are always right and that they should use even more force when arresting suspects only comes from one side.

That hasn’t been the message from Trump or republicans, but if we’re only to use extremes, I’d  rather be for the side that says police are always right than the side (yours) that says police are always wrong. 

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4 minutes ago, Timothy said:

In that same time, police officers have killed hundreds of Americans.

Some of which are justified, but many of which aren't.  The fact that on a per capita basis, American police kill orders of magnitude more people than police in other countries shows that we have a major problem and the overwhelming majority of those killings don't need to happen.

Neither rioting, nor killings of police, nor the police regularly killing people unjustly, are OK.  But the scale of unjust police violence against citizens vastly dwarfs the first two.  The fact that the overwhelming majority of conservatives seem content to downplay and/or ignore the massive abuses of government power by the police and the criminal justice system is very telling.  It suggests that for many all of the rhetoric on other issues about freedom and limited government isn't consistent or principled, but primarily a self centered desire for "liberty" for themselves only.  If other people's rights are infringed on, they don't care.

So yeah you want to try to hold the left responsible for police deaths?  You need to take a long hard look in the mirror about your responsibility for the incredible harm done by police violence.

Your OPINION is noted. Actual proof of the massive unjustified killing of people by police officers that you claim? Nonexistent. 

ETA: here you use also the tired old Alinsky argument where you try to hold others to their desired standard and yourself to a different one. For example, the left is very fond of challenging Christians with “you claim to believe in God but you had sex before marriage, you failed, therefore you have no standing to make any moral judgments whatsoever”. All the while you go whoring around town but because you don’t try to be a good person, you try to argue that your immorality can’t be held against you. 

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6 minutes ago, zurg said:

Your OPINION is noted. Actual proof of the massive unjustified killing of people by police officers that you claim? Nonexistent. 

policekillings_rates.webp

If the right saw this level of excessive violence by the government as something directed against them, people on this site would be calling for armed insurrection.

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Natural Selection
4 minutes ago, Timothy said:

policekillings_rates.webp

Directly related to the demographics that each police force is tasked with policing.

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kestrel
8 minutes ago, Timothy said:

In that same time, police officers have killed hundreds of Americans.

Some of which are justified, but many of which aren't.  The fact that on a per capita basis, American police kill orders of magnitude more people than police in other countries shows that we have a major problem and the overwhelming majority of those killings don't need to happen.

Neither rioting, nor killings of police, nor the police regularly killing people unjustly, are OK.  But the scale of unjust police violence against citizens vastly dwarfs the first two.  The fact that the overwhelming majority of conservatives seem content to downplay and/or ignore the massive abuses of government power by the police and the criminal justice system is very telling.  It suggests that for many all of the rhetoric on other issues about freedom and limited government isn't consistent or principled, but primarily a self centered desire for "liberty" for themselves only.  If other people's rights are infringed on, they don't care.

So yeah you want to try to hold the left responsible for police deaths?  You need to take a long hard look in the mirror about your responsibility for the incredible harm done by police violence.

2 minutes ago, Timothy said:

In that same time, police officers have killed hundreds of Americans.

Some of which are justified, but many of which aren't.  The fact that on a per capita basis, American police kill orders of magnitude more people than police in other countries shows that we have a major problem and the overwhelming majority of those killings don't need to happen.

Neither rioting, nor killings of police, nor the police regularly killing people unjustly, are OK.  But the scale of unjust police violence against citizens vastly dwarfs the first two.  The fact that the overwhelming majority of conservatives seem content to downplay and/or ignore the massive abuses of government power by the police and the criminal justice system is very telling.  It suggests that for many all of the rhetoric on other issues about freedom and limited government isn't consistent or principled, but primarily a self centered desire for "liberty" for themselves only.  If other people's rights are infringed on, they don't care.

So yeah you want to try to hold the left responsible for police deaths?  You need to take a long hard look in the mirror about your responsibility for the incredible harm done by police violence.

Right on Man!...power to da peep o!..Taken it to da schtreets!....Tough times down there in Austin TexaCali?...How come I don't seem to pick up on your outrage about those "other" Black Lives?...In Chi-Town that are taken daily? Guess how many got killed over the week end?..But no problem right?..I'm actually kinda surprised that you are against these police killings seeing that its your side of the aisle that's rooting for a police state...Oh yeah I forgot.."BLM!"..."What do we want?"  "Dead Cops"  "When do we want them?".."Now!"

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38 minutes ago, zurg said:

That hasn’t been the message from Trump or republicans, but if we’re only to use extremes, I’d  rather be for the side that says police are always right than the side (yours) that says police are always wrong. 

The fact that most of the right can't see past the framing of "pro" vs "anti" police is part of the problem.  The problem isn't with police officers as individuals, it's with police culture.  The police are an essential part of society, but with great power comes great responsibility.  Politically, culturally, and institutionally, that responsibility has been very lacking.  And the knee jerk opposition to insisting on responsibility as "anti-police" is a major roadblock to any kind of reasonable agreement on this issue.

It doesn't help that malicious actors like Trump want more violence for political reasons and do everything they can to provoke it.

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11 minutes ago, Timothy said:

The fact that most of the right can't see past the framing of "pro" vs "anti" police is part of the problem. 

The fact that most of the left sees ALL police (the "culture" as you define it) as an absolute and in need of being eradicated by de-funding and minimizing police powers and presence. Is the real problem. Citizens in Minnesota are screaming for police protection, and the ignorant elected officials are now backtracking on their objectives of replacing police with a "public safety" force. What evidence do you have of such a pervasive police culture?

11 minutes ago, Timothy said:

It doesn't help that malicious actors like Trump want more violence for political reasons and do everything they can to provoke it.

You can't be serious. All the efforts Trump made to get the idiot mayors of Portland, Chicago, et al to accept Federal help in quelling the riots demonstrates Trump's desire for more violence? Statements such as this totally destroy any credibility you think you might have.

And don't even start with the "peaceful protest" crap. Peaceful protests don't result in $2B of property damage (latest estimates).

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Skipjack
24 minutes ago, Timothy said:

It doesn't help that malicious actors like Trump want more violence for political reasons and do everything they can to provoke it.

Pardon me for butting-in, but exactly what planet are you on?

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BootsieBets
3 hours ago, Ladybird said:

True enough. The message that the police are always right and that they should use even more force when arresting suspects only comes from one side.

Let’s forget for a minute that most of these incidents have happened in cities that are controlled by democrat administrations and those administrations have usually been entrenched for many decades.  If there has been a need for police reform, it has been lacking in the DEMOCRAT led administrations.  Then, there is the fact that the police are backed up by powerful unions who tend to also prevent any real reform.  And those unions have rarely been known to support the republican party.  They are almost always solid democrat supporting factions.  So, stop with the “it’s the right who is blocking reforms.”  No, this is squarely in the lap of the democrats.

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