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Natural Selection
9 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

So did Strom Thurmond.

Did his girlfriend say "I never heard him say a disparaging comment towards any race of people"?

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Ladybird
7 minutes ago, mjperry51 said:

This isn't about Strom Thurmond. Doesn't moving those goalposts get tiring??

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

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Natural Selection
6 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

That doesn't make any sense. Why would someone date a person who was racist against their race?

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oki
26 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

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    Or the famous umbrellas incident.  Would be very curious to see if Obama treated Black Military Members different.

 

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oki
13 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

 

     Do you think Jessi Jackson would ever say anything good about someone who is racist?

 

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Ben Cranklin
1 hour ago, Moderator T said:

In an era when wins are by 1-2%, a handful or electoral votes, or a few thousand votes in one state?  

It might. Or a more enthusiastic base that will be more active as voters than the opposition's base might more than make up for that and be more important. Pretty hard to quantify either way, just like figuring out the % of voters (2%? 3? 5?) who won't admit they support Trump when asked in public, but then pull the lever for him when it matters. 

1 hour ago, Moderator T said:

I don't think he lost the election tonight, but his debate performance didn't help him any.

It wasn't really my cup of tea, but every time I've thought Trump was too much of a boor and must not have done himself any favors before now, I've been wrong. The constraints on conventional politicians don't seem to apply to him. I was entirely wrong about his chances of winning the nomination, wrong about his chances of winning the presidency, and wrong enough of the time before now that I've given up trying to predict what is or isn't effective about the way he does politics. Now I just relax and enjoy the show of the media's perpetual meltdown over how this "ruffian" has kept winning till now despite their complete mobilization against him, and keep rooting on the stock market, dead terrorists, excellent new Supreme Court Justices, etc., for as long as it lasts...hopefully another four years!

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Noclevermoniker
16 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

Do you wear a sign, visible to everyone, saying “I hate white people” or are you more subtle?

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CHANG
54 minutes ago, Natural Selection said:

Trump had a bi-racial girlfriend who said "I never heard him say a disparaging comment towards any race of people".

(source)

Apparently in New York City it was an open secret if you were a black entrepreneur looking to go into business, and the banks turned you down for loans, Trump would lend you the money. Then, when you went back to Trump to pay the loan he’d refuse saying your success was his payment. Trump never spoke of this but many of the minority business owners his largesse helped did.  

Now, I have no verification of this story. I heard it through a third party. But, from what I’ve seen him DO for middle class Americans of all colors, I’ll believe this far more readily than that “losers” and “suckers” crock, or the accusations that Trump supports and encourages white supremacists. 

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mjperry51
21 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

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Natural Selection
26 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

I have no doubt that you've seen BS up close.

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Tikk
1 hour ago, Ben Cranklin said:

It might. Or a more enthusiastic base that will be more active as voters than the opposition's base might more than make up for that and be more important. Pretty hard to quantify either way, just like figuring out the % of voters (2%? 3? 5?) who won't admit they support Trump when asked in public, but then pull the lever for him when it matters. 

It wasn't really my cup of tea, but every time I've thought Trump was too much of a boor and must not have done himself any favors before now, I've been wrong. The constraints on conventional politicians don't seem to apply to him. I was entirely wrong about his chances of winning the nomination, wrong about his chances of winning the presidency, and wrong enough of the time before now that I've given up trying to predict what is or isn't effective about the way he does politics. Now I just relax and enjoy the show of the media's perpetual meltdown over how this "ruffian" has kept winning till now despite their complete mobilization against him, and keep rooting on the stock market, dead terrorists, excellent new Supreme Court Justices, etc., for as long as it lasts...hopefully another four years!

I agree.

I think we both had the epiphany that listening to the talking heads, political 'elites', and other swamp creatures provides no value whatsoever.

For the past four years there has been a constant drone of, "Can you believe he said X$!!??", "Who could support a man who called for injecting bleach!?" (Side note he said inject disinfectant from what I heard, we've been doing that for a long time, they're called antibiotics, but whatever) blah blah blah.

I don't care.  I don't care because the dude says a lot.  He spitballs.  He just throws crap out there.

He doesn't use well crafted attorney language (i.e. bull$#!+). 

I don't give a $#!+ what he says.

I do care about what he does.  And for what he has done he has no equal.  Economy, world peace, de-escalation of foreign conflicts, tax reform, Federal justices, etc. etc. etc.

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E Van der Vliet

Dan Bongino has a different take on the debate and why he thought Trump won.

 

His take is that Trump employed a base election strategy and got Biden to disavow several elements of the left's ideas.  Such as, the Green new Deal and rejecting socialism.  His take is that this will disenfranchise the left from going to the polls.  

While I get his take, and there is validity to it, I don't think that will happen.  Biden was already an uninspiring candidate. In fact, his whole campaign is about not being Trump.  Trump getting Biden to disavow several tenants of the lefts ideology, I don't think, will make these basement dwellers stay home.  

I agree that this is a base election.  It's all about turning out your base.  I think a better strategy would have been to let Biden speak more often and show people that he doesn't have the cognitive ability to be President.  Biden was about to slide into gibberish a few times during the debate.  Each time Trump interrupted Biden, he was able to regroup his thoughts. 

Also, looking at how the media is reporting this debate, it just might give Biden enough cover to cancel appearing at the next two.  

This is why I think Trump lost.

Thoughts?  

 

https://bongino.com/

 

 

 

 

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E Van der Vliet
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

I don't get it?  

 

Knowing that you aren't white.

 

Why did you attend a Critical Race Theory workshop?

 

 

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Joe the Pagan
2 hours ago, Ladybird said:

So did Strom Thurmond.

The ‘Proud Boys’ should set the presidents words of encouragement to Stevie Nicks “Stand Back”. 

 

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kestrel
1 hour ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

So white boy didn't ask you to the Prom?...Envy is not a good look L/B..Or are you saying that you have dated white boys and still hate them?I don't know what happened to you in your life but I almost feel sorry for you..almost, But the Black Race Victim Card is clearly expired..I hope you find your way off the Plantation L/B and find some happiness That does not entail Mega Watt Virtue signalling..its just not a good look on someone who isn't a rich entitled white lady pretending to be Black...or?

Kestrel X

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Severian
7 minutes ago, kestrel said:

So white boy didn't ask you to the Prom?...Envy is not a good look L/B..Or are you saying that you have dated white boys and still hate them?I don't know what happened to you in your life but I almost feel sorry for you..almost, But the Black Race Victim Card is clearly expired..I hope you find your way off the Plantation L/B and find some happiness That does not entail Mega Watt Virtue signalling..its just not a good look on someone who isn't a rich entitled white lady pretending to be Black...or?

Kestrel X

Maybe she's talking about black racist guys who date white girls...

 

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Ladybird
6 minutes ago, Severian said:

Maybe she's talking about black racist guys who date white girls...

 

Yes, absolutely. I have seen it both ways.

 

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grimreefer
2 hours ago, Ladybird said:

Some are under the impression that dating outside of ones race means that person can’t be racist. That’s BS, and I’ve seen it up close. 

Agreed on this point. I've seen it up close as well.

 

That said, there is no legitimate evidence that I'm aware of suggesting Trump is a racist. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for Biden.

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LeansToTheRight
35 minutes ago, Shaky McSelfie said:

Dan Bongino has a different take on the debate and why he thought Trump won.

 

His take is that Trump employed a base election strategy and got Biden to disavow several elements of the left's ideas.  Such as, the Green new Deal and rejecting socialism.  His take is that this will disenfranchise the left from going to the polls.  

While I get his take, and there is validity to it, I don't think that will happen.  Biden was already an uninspiring candidate. In fact, his whole campaign is about not being Trump.  Trump getting Biden to disavow several tenants of the lefts ideology, I don't think, will make these basement dwellers stay home.  

I agree that this is a base election.  It's all about turning out your base.  I think a better strategy would have been to let Biden speak more often and show people that he doesn't have the cognitive ability to be President.  Biden was about to slide into gibberish a few times during the debate.  Each time Trump interrupted Biden, he was able to regroup his thoughts. 

Also, looking at how the media is reporting this debate, it just might give Biden enough cover to cancel appearing at the next two.  

This is why I think Trump lost.

Thoughts?  

 

https://bongino.com/

 

 

 

 

Katie Pavlich had a similar take as Dan.  I agree, there is validity to their take.  Also, the election isn’t about one debate in a vacuum.  There are more debates (yes, there will absolutely be more debates).  Some in the media are begging Biden not to debate again.  (As an aside - Have you Biden on his train ride today?  Only 2 of 10 stops so far and he’s already mumbling and bumbling, forgetting his place, forgetting simple items spoke about the previous night.  He fielded 4 softball questions from “reporters” and stumbled through those.)  But it doesn’t matter because the Biden campaign has already said they will debate.  There’s nothing to the move to cancel the next debates other than media trying to get viewers.

Trump has an overall strategy, he played out this first debate landing some pretty big blows - in terms of the economy, in terms of the transition “issue”, in terms of Biden corruption, in terms of law and order, and he did force Biden to denounce Sanders and AOC.  He also forced Biden into blunders about the economy and the Green New Deal.  Trump also drew a vast contrast between energetic and vigorous Trump versus tired and weak Biden.

Thats why I think Trump won.

But, as always, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I appreciate you expressing yours.

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kestrel
1 hour ago, Shaky McSelfie said:

Dan Bongino has a different take on the debate and why he thought Trump won.

 

His take is that Trump employed a base election strategy and got Biden to disavow several elements of the left's ideas.  Such as, the Green new Deal and rejecting socialism.  His take is that this will disenfranchise the left from going to the polls.  

While I get his take, and there is validity to it, I don't think that will happen.  Biden was already an uninspiring candidate. In fact, his whole campaign is about not being Trump.  Trump getting Biden to disavow several tenants of the lefts ideology, I don't think, will make these basement dwellers stay home.  

I agree that this is a base election.  It's all about turning out your base.  I think a better strategy would have been to let Biden speak more often and show people that he doesn't have the cognitive ability to be President.  Biden was about to slide into gibberish a few times during the debate.  Each time Trump interrupted Biden, he was able to regroup his thoughts. 

Also, looking at how the media is reporting this debate, it just might give Biden enough cover to cancel appearing at the next two.  

This is why I think Trump lost.

Thoughts?  

 

https://bongino.com/

 

 

 

 

I didn't watch the debate..IMO it's just, in the words of Leonard Pinth-Garnell, Very Bad Cinema. Whats the upside? Trump is a terrible public speaker (about which I have no &*$%S to give) not a very good debater (was what they do in these Shieetshows really a debate or more like verbal big time wrestling?... just media promulgated wank off) a good debater/public speaker is NOT what is needed in our country..I don't care is he's a meanie on twitter (I'm not on twitter so one more thing to NOT give any %&*#S about) As to what I do give &*%#S about is the Economy, the cessation of Endless Wars world wide, The global trade situation, domestic tranquility, Crisis management, Adherence to the Constitution, Federal Judges and last but not least driving the left, and their purveyors of their Religion, the Media absolutely out of their freaking minds. Don't worry to much Bro' I don't think anybody but some undercover Never Trumpers, who will not vote for Trump no matter what are actually sitting on any fence..Most of America just goes about their lives and do what we do and are not consumed 24/7 about politics/media and the burgeoning market in Serum Serotonin re-uptake Inhibitors that should peak just after the election..Think I'm gonna go for a M/C ride now before it starts snowing here in N. Mi. Its all gonna be fine.

Kestrel...

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oki
24 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Yes, absolutely. I have seen it both ways.

 

      Prior to running for President, as in when Trump was simply a New York City real estate developer do you think Rev Jessi Jackson thought Trump to be a racist?  What do you think his opinion of him was?  Would Jackson of all people know a racist when he saw one?

 

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Natural Selection
27 minutes ago, Ladybird said:

Yes, absolutely. I have seen it both ways.

How did this racism you witnessed manifest itself? Racial slurs?

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Severian
5 minutes ago, oki said:

What do you think his opinion of him was?

As long as Trump had his checkbook out he wasn't a racist.

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E Van der Vliet
16 minutes ago, LeansToTheRight said:

Katie Pavlich had a similar take as Dan.  I agree, there is validity to their take.  Also, the election isn’t about one debate in a vacuum.  There are more debates (yes, there will absolutely be more debates).  Some in the media are begging Biden not to debate again.  (As an aside - Have you Biden on his train ride today?  Only 2 of 10 stops so far and he’s already mumbling and bumbling, forgetting his place, forgetting simple items spoke about the previous night.  He fielded 4 softball questions from “reporters” and stumbled through those.)  But it doesn’t matter because the Biden campaign has already said they will debate.  There’s nothing to the move to cancel the next debates other than media trying to get viewers.

Trump has an overall strategy, he played out this first debate landing some pretty big blows - in terms of the economy, in terms of the transition “issue”, in terms of Biden corruption, in terms of law and order, and he did force Biden to denounce Sanders and AOC.  He also forced Biden into blunders about the economy and the Green New Deal.  Trump also drew a vast contrast between energetic and vigorous Trump versus tired and weak Biden.

Thats why I think Trump won.

But, as always, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I appreciate you expressing yours.

My wife, who is a conservative, has been on the fence in voting for Trump. Most of her friends are leftist and are hammering her pretty hard about Trump.  
 

Her take on last nights debate was that Trump acted like a child and Biden came across presidential. 
 

While I know this is purely anecdotal, there  many more like my wife out there. 
 

I get Trumps strategy. And I do hope it works and I am wrong. 
 

Maybe his performance will get him fired up and out on the campaign trail more. If so, like you pointed out, we will see him descend into gibberish. 
 

 

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