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Actor Scott Baio threatens to move to Utah to unseat Sen. Mitt Romney after his anti-Trump tweet

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NH Populist

Romney's vote as the only Republican Senator to impeach Trump really stuck in my craw, but I think Mod T is right about seeing the bigger picture.  Romney's only bad some of the time, compared to 100% of the Leftists in the senate who also voted to impeach.   He ain't perfect, but he's better than the alternative...

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mjperry51
7 hours ago, Moderator T said:

He is.  You might not like him, I might not like him, but literally filling a warm seat with a half loyal Republican is better than a Democrat. Every time.  The same goes for all of the other RINOs that "real conservatives" want to vote off the island at any cost.  And that ignores the fact that Romney does vote Republican most of the time.  He's far from perfect, but he's better than another Dem.

It all comes down to the mechanics of our government.  The majority party controls their half of Congress.  What does that mean?  That means setting the rules they operate by.  That means picking leadership.  That means controlling committees.  That means deciding who gets to be a judge and who doesn't.  That means literally controlling the legislative agenda of the nation.

Right now we're looking at losing the White House.   What is the Senate doing?  They're confirming judges with an ultra slim majority.  That's important work that wouldn't happen if just a couple of those wishy washy Republicans had lost their seats the last time around.  If and when Biden takes over, that slim majority is what will hold the line against Democrat policies.  That isn't something we could do if all we had was a dozen loyal conservatives holding the reddest districts in the nation.  It requires electing people who are actually wanted by their constituents, and sometimes that means not having perfect conservatives everywhere.

Now like I said, if Baio can beat Romney, and if he happens to be a good conservative, and if he can win the general, I don't have a problem with it.  Anything less than that - anything at all less than that hurts our cause.

At this point I don't accept the status quo.

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Moderator T
13 minutes ago, mjperry51 said:

At this point I don't accept the status quo.

Fair enough, as long as you're willing to risk Democrat control of the Senate and in doing so, the implementation of their polices in exchange for not having Romney there.

 

BTW, do you know anything about Scott Baio's policy positions, or is that secondary to getting rid of the guy you don't like?  

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ThePatriot
1 hour ago, Moderator T said:

Fair enough, as long as you're willing to risk Democrat control of the Senate and in doing so, the implementation of their polices in exchange for not having Romney there.

 

BTW, do you know anything about Scott Baio's policy positions, or is that secondary to getting rid of the guy you don't like?  

Your premise is flawed and based on a fear - the people of Utah shouldn't get rid of Mitt for fear of losing control of the Senate - but that fear ignores the fact that the people of Utah have not elected a Democrat to the senate in nearly 50 years.

By voting to impeach Trump, Romney has shown his true colors in my opinion and the people of Utah would do well to replace him.

As Utah is staunchly Republican, there is zero chance we would lose that senate seat to a Democrat.

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Dean Adam Smithee
1 hour ago, Moderator T said:

Fair enough, as long as you're willing to risk Democrat control of the Senate and in doing so, the implementation of their polices in exchange for not having Romney there.

 

BTW, do you know anything about Scott Baio's policy positions, or is that secondary to getting rid of the guy you don't like?  

Well, he's spoken out for various conservative causes since at least the 1980s when he worked on the Reagan campaign. He's not just some flash-in-the-pan jumping in hastily. I think if he can beat Romney in the primary, he's a shoo-in because Utah hasn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since Frank Moss  (D ) in '70 who then lost to Orrin Hatch (R ) in '76 and both Senators have been Republican's ever since.

Beating Romney in the primary won't be easy. Romney is pretty much guaranteed to get the "Mormon" vote, whereas Baio is a former catholic and currently a non-denominational protestant.

 

Below he's speaking at the 2016 Republican convention:

 

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Buckwheat Jones
12 hours ago, Timothy said:

As usual, it's all about Trump's personal benefit.  He doesn't care if what he is doing is damaging American democracy or implodes the Republican party, he's protecting his "brand".  Probably so he can cash in after the election to recover from all his other failing business ventures.  He's a grifter and a con man and it's sad that so many people fall for it.

And yet he governed pretty well, with more accomplishments in 4 years going upstream that his predecessor in 8 years cruising downstream. 

Weird, huh?

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mjperry51
2 hours ago, Moderator T said:

BTW, do you know anything about Scott Baio's policy positions, or is that secondary to getting rid of the guy you don't like?  

Yes

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Dean Adam Smithee
15 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

Your premise is flawed and based on a fear - the people of Utah shouldn't get rid of Mitt for fear of losing control of the Senate - but that fear ignores the fact that the people of Utah have not elected a Democrat to the senate in nearly 50 years.

By voting to impeach Trump, Romney has shown his true colors in my opinion and the people of Utah would do well to replace him.

As Utah is staunchly Republican, there is zero chance we would lose that senate seat to a Democrat.

That is true, but I don't think that will hurt Romney in Utah as much as it would in other states.

Trump has done okay in Utah but not HYUGELY okay. In 2016, the combined non-Trump vote of Hillary Clinton (27.46%) + Evan McMullin (21.54%) exceeded Trump's 45.54%.  Trump did considerably better this year with 58.15% but still not up to the 72.62% that Romney/Ryan got in 2012.

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mjperry51
5 hours ago, Ticked@TinselTown said:

That's quite the pile of hypocrisy and rancid bullschit you're shoveling there.  

It's the best talking point he had at his disposal. .  .

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Ticked@TinselTown
1 minute ago, mjperry51 said:

It's the best talking point he had at his disposal. .  .

Probably got a bonus on his paycheck for using it, too...

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zurg
2 minutes ago, Ticked@TinselTown said:

Probably got a bonus on his paycheck for using it, too...

$1 per talking point used in a post.

$3 per post if using 2 talking points in one post.

$5 per post for 3. 

The scale continues but the left can’t understand it. They’ll be asking themselves whether spreading 3 talking points among 3 posts makes more than putting them all in one. 

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Dean Adam Smithee
10 hours ago, zurg said:

In some ways MR is worse than AOC: at least with AOC you know what you’ll be getting (a Marxist) whereas with MR there’s no idea where his two neurons are pointing at any given time. 

And with Romney I know what we've got: A least a chance of keeping control of the Senate. Same goes for Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins.

According to Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump,  Romney votes in line with Trump’s position 82.1% of the time. That puts him (just barely) within the Reagan Rule: “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20 percent traitor.” Source: The Wisdom of Ronald Reagan 2

 

THAT SAID, Given that Baio once worked on the Reagan campaign and I don't believe Mitt ever did, AND that Mitt's dad George Romney was one of Reagan's rivals in the '68 primary, I'm pretty sure I know who Ronald Reagan himself would be supporting right now. LOL.

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USNRETWIFE
17 hours ago, Joe the Pagan said:

I don't think so.  Mitt used to be a Republican you could vote for.   He became a Rino when two things happened to him.  First when he tried getting more Republicans into the Massachusetts house and senate failed with every candidate he endorsed lost.  Second was when a ceiling tile fell from the roof of the big dig.  Suddenly all the years of bad oversight before he became Governor of Massachusetts became his fault.  

I think Mitt is running for President again.  Forgetting that if he actually won the primary the deepstate media would go back to calling him a knuckle dragging conservative.

If Baio runs I might have to donate to his campaign. 

Ditto

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USNRETWIFE
13 hours ago, zurg said:

What does he mean with any of the garbage in that post?

Or any of his posts?

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Dutch13
18 hours ago, mjperry51 said:

As if Romney is any better than a Democrat 

He might be the difference between Senate Majority Leader McConnell or Schumer, though.  
 

More power to Scott Baio or any primary challenger in America.  Just come together after getting the nomination.

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Dean Adam Smithee
18 hours ago, Joe the Pagan said:

I don't think so.  Mitt used to be a Republican you could vote for.   He became a Rino when two things happened to him.  First when he tried getting more Republicans into the Massachusetts house and senate failed with every candidate he endorsed lost.  Second was when a ceiling tile fell from the roof of the big dig.  Suddenly all the years of bad oversight before he became Governor of Massachusetts became his fault.  

Just for the record, I didn't when I could've. I sat out 2012.

Late September 2012: I had just moved from Oregon to Tennessee. I had my Oregon mail-in ballot in hand, and arrived in TN with still days to go before the registration deadline. I could've LEGALLY voted either. (Or even BOTH illegally, LOL.) I didn't.

Why?

Oregon - so BLUE that my vote didn't count. Oregon was going to go for Obama and there was nothing that I and 200,000 of my closest friends could do about it. (End result: Obama +216,313) Suppose I'd voted, it would still be Obama  +216,312 . So what?

Tennessee - So RED that my vote wasn't necessary. (End result: Romney +501,621) Suppose I'd voted, it would be Romney +501,622. So what?

In EITHER case, my vote would've been little more than a "show of support". I just couldn't bring myself to do that. (YMMV if you're in a "swing" state.)

18 hours ago, Joe the Pagan said:

I think Mitt is running for President again.  Forgetting that if he actually won the primary the deepstate media would go back to calling him a knuckle dragging conservative.

2024? In GA that is now apparently a "purple" state?  Yeah, I'd vote for him. Reluctantly. If I HAD to.

18 hours ago, Joe the Pagan said:

If Baio runs I might have to donate to his campaign. 

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mjperry51
6 minutes ago, Dutch13 said:

He might be the difference between Senate Majority Leader McConnell or Schumer, though.  
 

More power to Scott Baio or any primary challenger in America.  Just come together after getting the nomination.

Not for 5 years..

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ThePatriot
4 hours ago, Dutch13 said:

He might be the difference between Senate Majority Leader McConnell or Schumer, though.  
 

No, he wouldn't because Utah would not elect a Democrat to take his place.  They would replace him with another Republican, so the whole idea that we should keep Mitt because he's better than a Democrat is a false premise. 

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Timothy
23 hours ago, LeansToTheRight said:

You’re worried about someone using their Presidency as a cash making machine after they leave office?  Have you ever heard of Clinton or Obama?!?!?  Give me a freaking break.

The issue isn't someone making money off of it, it's what they are willing to sacrifice to do it.

In Trump's case, he's willing to undermine the transition (which amidst an ongoing pandemic will have a real cost in lives) and attack the integrity of the electoral process with wild and baseless claims.

If this was more than a PR stunt, the Trump team would follow up their wild accusations they make in press conferences with claims in court that are subject to legal scrutiny.  Instead, we get this circus where the lawsuits don't even bother to keep their states straight.  It's pathetic and it makes our country look like a joke.

23 hours ago, ThePatriot said:

Did you mean to post this pile of... opinion... in a different thread?  If not, how does Scott Baio potentially challenging Romney translate to this somehow being all about Trump's personal benefit? 

Additionally, you should consider actually doing some research before you post - it could save you some embarrassment.   

Well considering Baio is doing this in response to Romney criticizing Dear Leader's Trump's actions, I'd say the motives for Trump's actions are relevant.

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ThePatriot
2 minutes ago, Timothy said:

The issue isn't someone making money off of it, it's what they are willing to sacrifice to do it.

In Trump's case, he's willing to undermine the transition (which amidst an ongoing pandemic will have a real cost in lives) and attack the integrity of the electoral process with wild and baseless claims.

If this was more than a PR stunt, the Trump team would follow up their wild accusations they make in press conferences with claims in court that are subject to legal scrutiny.  Instead, we get this circus where the lawsuits don't even bother to keep their states straight.  It's pathetic and it makes our country look like a joke.

This is concrete evidence that you have no understanding of what you speak.  The idea that because Trump is challenging the results will somehow result in death for some Americans is without basis in fact.  Unfortunately, you've demonstrated that you simply cannot be taken seriously.

5 minutes ago, Timothy said:

Well considering Baio is doing this in response to Romney criticizing Dear Leader's Trump's actions, I'd say the motives for Trump's actions are relevant.

In other words, you cannot articulate how Baio potentially challenging Romney translates in this being for Trump's benefit.  

Your arguments, such as they were, have suffered catastrophic failure.  Please surrender your college degree and leave the forge. 

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zurg
12 minutes ago, Timothy said:

The issue isn't someone making money off of it, it's what they are willing to sacrifice to do it.

In Trump's case, he's willing to undermine the transition (which amidst an ongoing pandemic will have a real cost in lives) and attack the integrity of the electoral process with wild and baseless claims.

If this was more than a PR stunt, the Trump team would follow up their wild accusations they make in press conferences with claims in court that are subject to legal scrutiny.  Instead, we get this circus where the lawsuits don't even bother to keep their states straight.  It's pathetic and it makes our country look like a joke.

Well considering Baio is doing this in response to Romney criticizing Dear Leader's Trump's actions, I'd say the motives for Trump's actions are relevant.

You obviously have not followed what the legal team is doing. Or I should say trying to do, because despite at least hundreds of affidavits (under penalty of perjury - this is serious stuff) behind their application, so far one Obama judge simply ruled against them. 

It’s clear what your side has done: committed fraud. It’s equally clear what your side is currently doing: trying to run out the clock.

This is all happening while the media and others (like you) are claiming that there’s no proof of fraud, no fraud took place, put up or shut up. BUT WHEN GIVEN THE EVIDENCE YOUR SIDE REFUSES TO LOOK AT IT AND IS PREVENTING OTHER REGULAR PEOPLE FROM SEEING IT. If there was no fraud, why not let them present their case? 

Guess what? You’re asking for major problems going forward. The division will get worse. Your side will not find law enforcement to go after people on my side. You’re playing a dangerous fool’s game. 

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Timothy
10 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

This is concrete evidence that you have no understanding of what you speak.  The idea that because Trump is challenging the results will somehow result in death for some Americans is without basis in fact.  Unfortunately, you've demonstrated that you simply cannot be taken seriously.

When he refuses to allow Biden's team access to people and data relevant to the pandemic, that makes it harder for Biden's team to hit the ground running.  Delays in, among other things, distributing a vaccine WILL cost lives.

13 minutes ago, ThePatriot said:

In other words, you cannot articulate how Baio potentially challenging Romney translates in this being for Trump's benefit.  

Huh?  Did I make that claim?

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zurg
15 minutes ago, Timothy said:

When he refuses to allow Biden's team access to people and data relevant to the pandemic, that makes it harder for Biden's team to hit the ground running.  Delays in, among other things, distributing a vaccine WILL cost lives.

Trump’s team WILL authorize and distribute vaccines by December. In fact, I happen to know that three major hospitals in Palm Beach County (where I live) have vaccines already, ready to go when given the go ahead. And the plans have been clearly laid out - front line/healthcare workers first, very senior and at risk people second, then next tier, and the general public. 

This will happen even though your side is hoping for delays so that Trump couldn’t get the credit. They’d want Biden to waltz in, having done ZERO, and claim the credit. So pardon me but your BS stinks. 

Team Biden is going to try to milk this pandemic a few more months because it’s so successful at controlling the riff raff below the elite. 

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